[vpFREE] Re: Coast Group

 

We received NO mailer this month. When we inquired, we were told the Coast Group will no longer honor their snowbird program. Hadn't seen that coming. I guess they are trying to be like the Stations.
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tikithecat73lakeworth" <fjc73@> wrote:
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> > My husband and I play at Orleans, Gold Coast, and Sam's Town. We have similar coin in, but he has been winning for the past few months, while I've been losing.
> > He received ONE joint mailer for the four Coasts- the bottom of most pages have the logo of all four properties. He has no point multipliers, other than Seniors Days. The free play that is listed is quite a bit less than he had last month, if you added up what he received at the three places. Same with food coupons.
> > I received THREE seperate mailers. They are booklets that look identical to his- on the outside. My mailers are a whole lot different on the inside. Mine have the name of each unique property printed at the bottom of most pages. There are three different calendars, and three different amounts of free play, room, and food offers. Gold Coast and Sam's Town have point multipliers, Orleans does not.
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> Unfortunately, the only way ( outside of having some high up contacts in the slot club or marketing division) to figure out the mailers is to have many people track their play accurately for 3 -6 months. Sometimes, when you finally figure out how it works, the slot club changes the rules again.
>
> It's a lot of work to figure out mailers. I'd say the following would needed to be tracked for 6 months to get an idea of how the mailers work:
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> date, coin in, length of play, denomination, game type, distance to casino, win/loss record, amount of freeplay redeemed, amount of play on days freeplay was redeemed, card status.
>
> This is just some factors off of the top of my head. There are probably many others as well. The more variables you track, the better you can estimate the bounceback checks. It is no longer as easy as "Play $10,000 a month and get 4 x $20 in mailers".
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> It is a lot of work. Plus, you never know the quality of the data you get from contributors. It can be done but it does take a lot of the "fun" out of gambling.
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[vpFREE] Re: LVRJ: Ruling raises questions about laws concerning advantage ga

 

I have never heard of a grocery store banning a customer who only comes in to buy the extreme loss leader sale products. Sometimes I have seen them attach a you must spend $10 or more to get the sale price on some product. This seems a pragmatic business solution whereas the casino management philosophy is personal - you beat me, get out and don't come back.

Card counting in blackjack should be fine, in fact if casino management doesn't want card counting to be a factor then show a digital display of all players' cards out for everyone to see and then change the game to be fine like that (double deck and only play one hand and have six independant card shufflers going at each table to keep game play moving or whatever your bet is on the openning deal your bet can not more than double that at any time during that deck's play, etc.). It is the same thing with video poker, don't have 100%+ machines and ding people for playing them correctly. Again, easy ways to fix these things without punishing any of your customers (except those that actually break a law or become unruly which makes people not want to go to that business.

With a written invitation by the business, did she do something illegal or even wrong by entering the premises? One person said that it was not illegal, I don't know if this info is right or not, but the casinos are wrong, period. A business should not ban a patron for being a patron. Hire business people with brains who focus on the business, not punishing customers.

My pent up 2 cents.

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[vpFREE] LVSun: LVH hotel-casino in Las Vegas sold at foreclosure auction

 

LVSun: LVH hotel-casino in Las Vegas sold at foreclosure auction

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[vpFREE] Re: Mailers?

 

I got my HR mailer last night.
2 comp nights
$50 free play
free admission to Vanity
buy 1 get 1 free Spa service

much less free play than ever before - but I haven't played there in over 8 months

G

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: LVRJ: Ruling raises questions about laws concerning advantage ga

 

Just wondering Barry: do you consider yourself as "major league"....or just one of those "low stakes" players without a clue? Either way, your post made a lot of sense.

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I've been barred at casinos when I played blackjack and counted cards. I've returned to several of them to play again ...

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[vpFREE] Re: LVRJ: Ruling raises questions about laws concerning advantage ga

 

Regarding the sentiments below (if trespassed and a player returns to the casino to play, they are "wrong")...

First of all, my apologies if I've missed some of the thread; I have been very busy lately and haven't read all the posts on each digest, and am just now getting into this particular subject.

I've been barred at casinos when I played blackjack and counted cards. I've returned to several of them to play again (although eventually even these changed their games to make them less desirable to play), and have been recognized once (that I know of) on a return visit and promptly cashed out and left before being approached, and once at another place where the same host who barred me the first time came up to me again and said "I thought I told you not to play blackjack here anymore" to which I replied "I didn't know you meant forever, but I was just playing for a few minutes while waiting to meet a friend, I mostly play video poker now" (the truth) and that was the end of (1) the conversation and (2) my attempts to play blackjack there.

There was some mention in the post about suffering the consequences of returning to where you are barred -- My question is, what are those consequences, legally? Can they now have you arrested for a "second offense"? Or what? And are there actual cases where the consequences have gone through the entire gamut (e.g. civil lawsuits, criminal court, or whatever) and how did the matter end up? Are the consequences civil, or criminal? In particular, are there key elements (such as how many return attempts are made, level of play, pro vs recreational advantage player, etc. etc.) that seem to make a difference in how it might be handled? (understanding, of course, that every casino and every case is different in some way, but are there some common elements?).

The reason I ask is just curiosity, since I myself had returned to casinos where I'd been barred, and played again, and really never thought too much of it, except that they might ask me to leave again. In fact, I was never asked to avoid entering the casino, only to stop playing blackjack there ("you are welcome to play the slots or shoot craps, etc." was a common statement, although one host added "but you don't strike me as a crapshooter").

I don't know if there are "levels" of trespass, some barring you completely from entry into the facility for any reason, and others just barring you from certain games -- and I don't know if the law backs up such "levels", or if the lower levels are just a "courtesy" (in quotes because the term doesn't apply very well in this context) extended by the casino instead of a total "do not come in here."

I probably never would have tried returning again after the "second" barring, so I don't know if there's a point where one crosses some line and is in more serious trouble than just being asked to leave or stop playing.

Incidentally, I do agree that if someone is trespassed and returns, they should not expect to be allowed to play again (since no one has an absolute right to play to begin with, apparently, at least in Nevada), and depending on the answers above, I may also agree that they should reasonably expect a possibility of some "consequences" of their attempted return. The question is, what are those consequences... e.g., if I get a speeding ticket and then speed again, I can reasonably expect to get another ticket - sooner or later - and if I get "caught" enough times (the penalties come with getting caught, not with speeding), I can expect the consequences to go beyond getting tickets. I know the ticket doesn't mean that I shouldn't have been speeding that time, but that it's OK to try it again in the future.

And of course, if someone's making big money with their advantage play, the risks they may be willing to take in terms of consequences may be justified, and as long as one has a reasonable way to guess what the consequences might be, including the most extreme among those, then it's up to the individual to make a judgment as to what they'll try to do, just as it's up to me to decide when to drive faster than the speed limit, and to suffer the possible consequences if I choose to drive fast.

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> 2b. Re: LVRJ: Ruling raises questions about laws concerning
> advantage ga
>     Posted by: "Luke Fuller" kungalooosh@gmail.com
> kungalooosh
>     Date: Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:54 pm ((PDT))
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> Bob said, "Nobody here found anything wrong with her doing
> it the previous
> 20 times...."
>
> That is completely false.
>
> If Laurie played in a casino, in which she was trespassed
> (whether on a
> casino offer or not), she was wrong.  Period.  It
> makes no difference
> whether she was 'caught' or not.
>
> Laurie and anyone else who enters an establishment after
> being barred are
> wrong for doing so and should pay the price for their
> actions.

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[vpFREE] vpFREE Posting Guidelines - 1 NOV 2012

 

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[vpFREE] Re: Mailers?

 

I got the November mailer yesterday. First time in months it arrived on
time.

Karen

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[vpFREE] Re: Mailers?

 

I got my November Hard Rock mailer - nothing special at all. Have to pay for rooms and no free play. :-(

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Re: [vpFREE] LVRJ: Aliante Gaming taking over management of NLV property from Station Casinos

 

It will be interesting to see if the new management emulates Stations' policy of attempting to exclude all players with an IQ that exceeds their age from mailers and point multipliers.

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[vpFREE] St. Louis Harrah's switchover

 

Tomorrow is the opening of the Casino in Maryland Heights of the Hollywood
Casino. I would like to hear about how they handled your Reward Credits, the
good VP machines and any other information anyone can provide.

Thanks!

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[vpFREE] Re: LVRJ: Ruling raises questions about laws concerning advantage gamblers

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Luke Fuller <kungalooosh@...> wrote:
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> If Laurie played in a casino, in which she was trespassed (whether on a casino offer or not), she was wrong. Period.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Wrong - according to the casino maybe. Honestly, it sounds like you work for a casino.

EE

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