--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:
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> I would just like to say I support a learn the math and do it yourself approach. Good on you mate.
>
Very admirable. But unless he's Rain Man, he's not playing JW2 as well as he thinks he is. Not without practice software he ain't, no freaking way. lol
>>Not sure why you asked about time travel, but this is what comes to mind
when I think of it, sorry."<<
There was a young lady named Bright
Who traveled much faster than light
She departed one day
In an Einsteinian way
And came back the previous night
Karen
" I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great
pleasure."
Mark Twain
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I would just like to say I support a learn the math and do it yourself approach. Good on you mate.
~FK
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, nairb trah <nairbtrah1@...> wrote:
>
> Funny... is that supposed to mean that unless I pay for overpriced vp
> software I am by definition relegated to being a "recreational player?"
> Again, the tools available for free are all I need. I can't imagine a pro
> needing anything more either. I have a trainer for nearly every game, a risk
> of ruin calculator, simulators, strat cards, and can create a custom game
> and/or paytable of any kind to calculate return/strategy: all for free.
>
> It also hasn't been long since my college stats and calculus courses so I
> can do the math myself if need be. So, again: why would I need VPW? Each
> time I ask you that you reply with something that's supposed to make me feel
> uneasy about my choice w/o giving any actual reasons.
>
> VP difficulty is mostly an illusion. Any engineer w/a college degree will
> end up having to learn the math required to calculate return, strategy, RoR,
> etc. It only takes a week or so of study and practice to master most games
> if you understand the reasoning behind the strategy. I just don't buy
> (literally and figuratively) statements from pros that you need this
> book/software/class to be successful. Of course, I don't begrudge people
> making money this way but it's not something *I *need.
>
> If anything, people struggling should spend their money on a statistics
> course at their local community college instead (though I'm sure you do
> cover some basic stats in the courses). Then they will know why different
> plays are better than others and won't have to base their play completely on
> memorization.
>
> Compared to card counting and all the extra people-skills you need for that,
> VP is a cake walk. The only thing I would consider paying for is inside
> knowledge about Vegas casinos and comps. That's one thing that you can't
> learn in a vacuum, unlike VP (so long as the vacuum has internet access :)).
>
>
> - Brian
>
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Bob Bartop <bobbartop@...> wrote:
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> > **
> >
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, nairb trah <nairbtrah1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> >
> > > In fact, it
> > > seems to make things worse if anything (60 bucks off my ER).
> > >
> >
> > Brian, there is nothing wrong with being a recreational player. Go for it,
> > dude!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, nairb trah <nairbtrah1@...> wrote:
>
> Funny... is that supposed to mean that unless I pay for overpriced vp
> software I am by definition relegated to being a "recreational player?"
>
No, I thought that's what you were saying. First I thought you were saying you wanted to get serious about VP, and then it seemed like you were saying that you only wanted to be a rec player. Either way, good luck to you. Sheesh!
I know a member here had a $2 reversible royal hit for over 600k, the link here shows 1996 WSOP champion Huck Seed hit a $100 progressive for $670,000. The game was 100.65% at the time or $1300 per hour EV at 400 hands an hour. Likely worth about 1k more due to meter movement.
http://lockerz.com/s/126049089
I just noticed a few more than the 13 I previously knew about.
They are upright machines which I think are more comfortable to play.
They are close to the craps games.
G'luck all,
Gamb00ler
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> Aren't there still 13 left?
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> ----- the7thwarrior <Judy@...> wrote:
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> > Once a "decent" game is gone it never comes back, even if the replacement game is a bust.
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> > M needs to look to bring back some more decent multi line games!
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AND THAT IS WHAT I COMPLAINED ABOUT IN THE FIRST PLACE!
> Once a "decent" game is gone it never comes back, even if the replacement game is a bust.
> M needs to look to bring back some more decent multi line games!
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "irdd3000" <irdd@...> wrote:
> >
> > actually the bad news is they didn't put back the aces bonus game where it originally was....
> >
> >
> > > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The M max-royals progressive has been permanently removed from M.
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> > > > > ~FK
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The post of the month!
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, nairb trah <nairbtrah1@...> wrote:
>
> Funny... is that supposed to mean that unless I pay for overpriced vp
> software I am by definition relegated to being a "recreational player?"
> Again, the tools available for free are all I need. I can't imagine a pro
> needing anything more either. I have a trainer for nearly every game, a risk
> of ruin calculator, simulators, strat cards, and can create a custom game
> and/or paytable of any kind to calculate return/strategy: all for free.
>
> It also hasn't been long since my college stats and calculus courses so I
> can do the math myself if need be. So, again: why would I need VPW? Each
> time I ask you that you reply with something that's supposed to make me feel
> uneasy about my choice w/o giving any actual reasons.
>
> VP difficulty is mostly an illusion. Any engineer w/a college degree will
> end up having to learn the math required to calculate return, strategy, RoR,
> etc. It only takes a week or so of study and practice to master most games
> if you understand the reasoning behind the strategy. I just don't buy
> (literally and figuratively) statements from pros that you need this
> book/software/class to be successful. Of course, I don't begrudge people
> making money this way but it's not something *I *need.
>
> If anything, people struggling should spend their money on a statistics
> course at their local community college instead (though I'm sure you do
> cover some basic stats in the courses). Then they will know why different
> plays are better than others and won't have to base their play completely on
> memorization.
>
> Compared to card counting and all the extra people-skills you need for that,
> VP is a cake walk. The only thing I would consider paying for is inside
> knowledge about Vegas casinos and comps. That's one thing that you can't
> learn in a vacuum, unlike VP (so long as the vacuum has internet access :)).
>
>
> - Brian
>
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Bob Bartop <bobbartop@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, nairb trah <nairbtrah1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> >
> > > In fact, it
> > > seems to make things worse if anything (60 bucks off my ER).
> > >
> >
> > Brian, there is nothing wrong with being a recreational player. Go for it,
> > dude!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
It also hasn't been long since my college stats and calculus courses so I
can do the math myself if need be. So, again: why would I need VPW? Each
time I ask you that you reply with something that's supposed to make me feel
uneasy about my choice w/o giving any actual reasons.
VP difficulty is mostly an illusion. Any engineer w/a college degree will
end up having to learn the math required to calculate return, strategy, RoR,
etc. It only takes a week or so of study and practice to master most games
if you understand the reasoning behind the strategy. I just don't buy
(literally and figuratively) statements from pros that you need this
book/software/class to be successful. Of course, I don't begrudge people
making money this way but it's not something *I *need.
If anything, people struggling should spend their money on a statistics
course at their local community college instead (though I'm sure you do
cover some basic stats in the courses). Then they will know why different
plays are better than others and won't have to base their play completely on
memorization.
Compared to card counting and all the extra people-skills you need for that,
VP is a cake walk. The only thing I would consider paying for is inside
knowledge about Vegas casinos and comps. That's one thing that you can't
learn in a vacuum, unlike VP (so long as the vacuum has internet access :)).
- Brian
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Bob Bartop <bobbartop@yahoo.com> wrote:
> **
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, nairb trah <nairbtrah1@...> wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
>
> > In fact, it
> > seems to make things worse if anything (60 bucks off my ER).
> >
>
> Brian, there is nothing wrong with being a recreational player. Go for it,
> dude!
>
>
>
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AND THAT IS WHAT I COMPLAINED ABOUT IN THE FIRST PLACE!
Once a "decent" game is gone it never comes back, even if the replacement game is a bust.
M needs to look to bring back some more decent multi line games!
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "irdd3000" <irdd@...> wrote:
>
> actually the bad news is they didn't put back the aces bonus game where it originally was....
>
>
> > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The M max-royals progressive has been permanently removed from M.
> > > >
> > > > ~FK
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Sai Sai" <gofastnismo@...> wrote:
>
> All the Stations have FPDW. Some have them in 5 and 10 cent, some are just available in 25 cent. Dont expect any comps playing them and its $4 of play for 1 point. I dont think Stations will be removing them anytime soon.
>
The whole idea is to get RFB comps for me. Do these places have 10 line .25 96 JOB or NSUD?
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jvferg72" <jvferg72@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <deucesdamule@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ummm???
> > >
> > > Have you gone to South Point or the Red Rock recently?
> > >
> > > Many, many, many full pay options at both casinos.
> > >
> > > For how long though? It is the trend that concerns me. Besides, its tough enough to convince the wife to stay off strip at the Palms. The two you mentioned would be an even tougher sell.
> > >
> > > -Mule
> > >
> > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jvferg72" <jvferg72@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > A little background first. I had supplemented my income nicely playing online poker for the last 6 years or so when black Friday hit (ty very little Vegas gaming interests and politicians). Live poker is not a viable option as a replacement for many reasons.
> > > >
> > > > I have always loved Vegas and gambling in general so I would splurge on lavish trips to sin city for the wife and I as often as time would permit with a portion of my poker winnings. Rather than cut back on our fun I decided to get serious about learning to play advantage vp after reading Frank's book and subsequently discovering his radio show.
> > > >
> > > > Frank was gracious enough to share some info with me that allowed me to accomplish my goal of obtaining a full RFB comp on a limited bankroll with low risk the first trip I put my new skills to the test. I was pretty happy with how things were going.
> > > >
> > > > It did concern me that the casinos were seemingly getting stingier and stingier with each passing year as far as pay tables and comp levels go. I know they exist to make money, not to provide income for people. However, there cant be enough people who are both capable and motivated enough to hurt them much at the quarter level right?
> > > >
> > > > In the last couple weeks the M has downgraded and then yanked the Frankenbobs. The Palms has set the speed on their 10 line .25 6-9 JOB to the super slow level they had the FPDW at. Then they yanked the FPDW bank. And to top it off Frank is no longer going to be on the radio show. :( How friggin depressing!
> > > >
> > > > The way things are going it just isnt going to be worth playing vp anymore. I guess I just have to hope the government doesnt make online poker a waste of time when they finally get around to legalizing it. I am not terribly optomistic though.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
All the Stations have FPDW. Some have them in 5 and 10 cent, some are just available in 25 cent. Dont expect any comps playing them and its $4 of play for 1 point. I dont think Stations will be removing them anytime soon.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jvferg72" <jvferg72@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <deucesdamule@> wrote:
> >
> > Ummm???
> >
> > Have you gone to South Point or the Red Rock recently?
> >
> > Many, many, many full pay options at both casinos.
> >
> > For how long though? It is the trend that concerns me. Besides, its tough enough to convince the wife to stay off strip at the Palms. The two you mentioned would be an even tougher sell.
> >
> > -Mule
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jvferg72" <jvferg72@> wrote:
> > >
> > > A little background first. I had supplemented my income nicely playing online poker for the last 6 years or so when black Friday hit (ty very little Vegas gaming interests and politicians). Live poker is not a viable option as a replacement for many reasons.
> > >
> > > I have always loved Vegas and gambling in general so I would splurge on lavish trips to sin city for the wife and I as often as time would permit with a portion of my poker winnings. Rather than cut back on our fun I decided to get serious about learning to play advantage vp after reading Frank's book and subsequently discovering his radio show.
> > >
> > > Frank was gracious enough to share some info with me that allowed me to accomplish my goal of obtaining a full RFB comp on a limited bankroll with low risk the first trip I put my new skills to the test. I was pretty happy with how things were going.
> > >
> > > It did concern me that the casinos were seemingly getting stingier and stingier with each passing year as far as pay tables and comp levels go. I know they exist to make money, not to provide income for people. However, there cant be enough people who are both capable and motivated enough to hurt them much at the quarter level right?
> > >
> > > In the last couple weeks the M has downgraded and then yanked the Frankenbobs. The Palms has set the speed on their 10 line .25 6-9 JOB to the super slow level they had the FPDW at. Then they yanked the FPDW bank. And to top it off Frank is no longer going to be on the radio show. :( How friggin depressing!
> > >
> > > The way things are going it just isnt going to be worth playing vp anymore. I guess I just have to hope the government doesnt make online poker a waste of time when they finally get around to legalizing it. I am not terribly optomistic though.
> > >
> >
>
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <deucesdamule@...> wrote:
>
> Ummm???
>
> Have you gone to South Point or the Red Rock recently?
>
> Many, many, many full pay options at both casinos.
>
> For how long though? It is the trend that concerns me. Besides, its tough enough to convince the wife to stay off strip at the Palms. The two you mentioned would be an even tougher sell.
>
> -Mule
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jvferg72" <jvferg72@> wrote:
> >
> > A little background first. I had supplemented my income nicely playing online poker for the last 6 years or so when black Friday hit (ty very little Vegas gaming interests and politicians). Live poker is not a viable option as a replacement for many reasons.
> >
> > I have always loved Vegas and gambling in general so I would splurge on lavish trips to sin city for the wife and I as often as time would permit with a portion of my poker winnings. Rather than cut back on our fun I decided to get serious about learning to play advantage vp after reading Frank's book and subsequently discovering his radio show.
> >
> > Frank was gracious enough to share some info with me that allowed me to accomplish my goal of obtaining a full RFB comp on a limited bankroll with low risk the first trip I put my new skills to the test. I was pretty happy with how things were going.
> >
> > It did concern me that the casinos were seemingly getting stingier and stingier with each passing year as far as pay tables and comp levels go. I know they exist to make money, not to provide income for people. However, there cant be enough people who are both capable and motivated enough to hurt them much at the quarter level right?
> >
> > In the last couple weeks the M has downgraded and then yanked the Frankenbobs. The Palms has set the speed on their 10 line .25 6-9 JOB to the super slow level they had the FPDW at. Then they yanked the FPDW bank. And to top it off Frank is no longer going to be on the radio show. :( How friggin depressing!
> >
> > The way things are going it just isnt going to be worth playing vp anymore. I guess I just have to hope the government doesnt make online poker a waste of time when they finally get around to legalizing it. I am not terribly optomistic though.
> >
>
Ummm???
Have you gone to South Point or the Red Rock recently?
Many, many, many full pay options at both casinos.
-Mule
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jvferg72" <jvferg72@...> wrote:
>
> A little background first. I had supplemented my income nicely playing online poker for the last 6 years or so when black Friday hit (ty very little Vegas gaming interests and politicians). Live poker is not a viable option as a replacement for many reasons.
>
> I have always loved Vegas and gambling in general so I would splurge on lavish trips to sin city for the wife and I as often as time would permit with a portion of my poker winnings. Rather than cut back on our fun I decided to get serious about learning to play advantage vp after reading Frank's book and subsequently discovering his radio show.
>
> Frank was gracious enough to share some info with me that allowed me to accomplish my goal of obtaining a full RFB comp on a limited bankroll with low risk the first trip I put my new skills to the test. I was pretty happy with how things were going.
>
> It did concern me that the casinos were seemingly getting stingier and stingier with each passing year as far as pay tables and comp levels go. I know they exist to make money, not to provide income for people. However, there cant be enough people who are both capable and motivated enough to hurt them much at the quarter level right?
>
> In the last couple weeks the M has downgraded and then yanked the Frankenbobs. The Palms has set the speed on their 10 line .25 6-9 JOB to the super slow level they had the FPDW at. Then they yanked the FPDW bank. And to top it off Frank is no longer going to be on the radio show. :( How friggin depressing!
>
> The way things are going it just isnt going to be worth playing vp anymore. I guess I just have to hope the government doesnt make online poker a waste of time when they finally get around to legalizing it. I am not terribly optomistic though.
>
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, nairb trah <nairbtrah1@...> wrote:
>
> Well, that's depressing. As someone who has never had the luxury of playing
> positive EV anything, I'm starting to think that by the time I actually
> finish planning my 2-week Vegas trip they will all be gone :(
>
> You guys are probably right that the loss of VP players looking for AP won't
> affect their bottom line negatively, but maybe not. With all of the negative
> news lately, my interest in a Vegas trip is quickly waning. I guarantee they
> would have taken more money from me than I got back with all the
> food/lodging costs. I wonder how many other players there are like myself.
>
> Born 10-15 years late I guess.
>
> -Brian
I just started a thread with a post very similar to yours. There are at least two of us!
>
> On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 12:58 AM, Frank <frank@...> wrote:
>
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> >
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> > I sorry to report that the progressive FPDW have been permanently removed.
> > Or at least that's what the casino manager told me. The new owners put their
> > foot down and insisted that there were to be no loss leaders.
> >
> > The old staff fought as hard as they could to keep them, but to no avail.
> >
> > ~FK
> >
> >
> >
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