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Just received an email from NCL detailing their relaxed cancellation policy,  It's a considerable relief to Bev and myself, who are booked on a May Western Mediterranean cruise with two family members.

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Carnival Cruise Line is allowing rebooking of cruises for March. You do need to be able to tell them when you would like to rebook to, so explore some options before calling.

Using the explanation of AARP informed me about CDC warning that "older people and those with underlying chronic conditions should avoid nonessential travel" works.


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Re: [vpFREE] Casino precautions

 

Carnival Cruise Line is allowing rebooking of cruises for March. You do need to be able to tell them when you would like to rebook to, so explore some options before calling.

Using the explanation of AARP informed me about CDC warning that "older people and those with underlying chronic conditions should avoid nonessential travel" works.



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On Friday, March 6, 2020, 03:51:22 PM EST, Misscraps misscraps@aol.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

There is a point at which extra precautions just don't make sense. If you are over age 60 and have underlying health problems (especially respiratory), you probably should avoid going out of your house for the next year or so until a corona virus vaccination is available! For everyone, I would say avoid going on a trip including a cruise where you might end up being quarantined (even though you do not have Covid19). Otherwise, take common sense precautions — avoid large gatherings, avoid people who might cough or sneeze on you, if you get symptoms such as dry cough or fever stay home and PHONE doctor or hospital before going if symptoms become worse, wash hands (lather them up) for 20 or more seconds. In casino wipe down machine with a virus killing wipe such as Clorox wipes and possibly wear gloves. Avoid touching face or mouth or eyes in between times where you have just washed up. Open doors, touch handles or railings, etc. in casino or stores with gloves or paper towel. And so on. Basically should you get the virus, chances are you will get over it unless you are elderly with underlying health conditions where you might not, but if you get it you don't want to spread it to others.

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There is a point at which extra precautions just don't make sense. If you are over age 60 and have underlying health problems (especially respiratory), you probably should avoid going out of your house for the next year or so until a corona virus vaccination is available! For everyone, I would say avoid going on a trip including a cruise where you might end up being quarantined (even though you do not have Covid19). Otherwise, take common sense precautions — avoid large gatherings, avoid people who might cough or sneeze on you, if you get symptoms such as dry cough or fever stay home and PHONE doctor or hospital before going if symptoms become worse, wash hands (lather them up) for 20 or more seconds. In casino wipe down machine with a virus killing wipe such as Clorox wipes and possibly wear gloves. Avoid touching face or mouth or eyes in between times where you have just washed up. Open doors, touch handles or railings, etc. in casino or stores with gloves or paper towel. And so on. Basically should you get the virus, chances are you will get over it unless you are elderly with underlying health conditions where you might not, but if you get it you don't want to spread it to others.

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Re: [vpFREE] Anyone taking health precautions when playing?

 

Obviously, if one touches something that has the virus on it, and is wearing gloves, that prevents the virus from getting on your skin. However, if you would then touch your face with the gloves still on, you would still transmit the virus to your face in the same way you would if you are not wearing gloves. Most people would not wear gloves, and take them off every time they need to touch their face for something, and then put on a fresh pair. So most likely, gloves are not going to add much protection to most people. Touching your face is an action that most people are almost unaware of, and while that is recommended as an action to avoid, I'm not sure most people would be able to do it.

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just wondering if gloves would be a wise choice. not that it is better than sanitizer, more expensive, but helps to reduce touching the face, and that dirty money

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On Friday, March 6, 2020, 10:07:13 AM CST, Glen Gronseth gleng4444@gmail.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

Harry,

Partly informed by a recent SE Asia trip, I think that everything you propose sounds reasonable.  And, if you're under 80 and in generally good health, even catching the virus shouldn't be the worst thing that's ever happened to you.

The question I'm weighing is whether it makes sense to go to a casino right now without a compelling reason.  I'd do it for sufficient $ rewards but not for recreation.  YMMV.

As you probably have read, only the N95 style masks provide real protection against others.  All the rest mostly serve to protect others if you have the virus.

I just saw your second post.  The 3.4% estimate is worldwide.  Thanks to our better health care system, the US rate probably will turn out to be well under 1%.  And most of the 1% will be elderly folks with some preexisiting medical condition.  

GMan

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I'm getting ready to book my first casino trip in 5 months (still prepping our house  for sale and for the move from GA to MA).

So, I'm curious how actively players are engaging in against COVID-19 (much less, seasonal colds this spring).  I generally break out the hand sanitizer around this time of year and liberally apply it to machine buttons before playing.  At minimum, I'm considering upping that game to latex gloves.

Obviously masks are in vogue lately.  Until US incidence spikes up a bit, I'm inclined to forego that precaution -- guess I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this would be "overkill" for now and focusing my attention on limiting surface contact.  But I guess I'll keep a mask at the ready in the event that someone is actively coughing (it seems impossible to avoid "smoker's hack" in the casino).

I look to completely avoid buffets.  (And with at least one LV confirmed case today, I would think casinos would find it most prudent to shut down buffets until this risk has mostly passed.)  That's not to say that full service restaurants are sterile environments ... but at least I look for some daily screening of workers who'll come in touch with my food.

I'm opening discussion with an intent that there be no alarmist posts; just looking for some thoughtful and reasoned commentary.



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Re: [vpFREE] Anyone taking health precautions when playing?

 

The precautions that one would take to reduce exposure to the flu are pretty much the same ones that would work for Coronavirus. Wow mortality for Coronavirus is probably 20 times higher than that for the flu, chances of getting the flu are probably several hundred times as likely as getting coronavirus. Perhaps even more. Also take note that the Surgeon General has recommended that those without any particular reason, should avoid using masks, so that they are still available for healthcare workers who actually need them.

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Let's start with the assumption that everyone in this group is reasonably familiar with probability and risk. Then let's examine all of the risks to our health and safety. Do you believe that COVID-19 is the biggest of those risks? If not, then what have you done to reduce or eliminate the others? If the answer is not much, then you're probably spending too much time and effort taking precautions against something that is very unlikely to kill you and not enough time and effort on the things that are. I don't want to discourage anyone from washing their hands and avoiding touching their face, but it would probably be much healthier to stop smoking, lose weight, get more exercise, drink less, and get more sleep.
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just wondering if gloves would be a wise choice. not that it is better than sanitizer, more expensive, but helps to reduce touching the face, and that dirty money

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On Friday, March 6, 2020, 10:07:13 AM CST, Glen Gronseth gleng4444@gmail.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

Harry,

Partly informed by a recent SE Asia trip, I think that everything you propose sounds reasonable.  And, if you're under 80 and in generally good health, even catching the virus shouldn't be the worst thing that's ever happened to you.

The question I'm weighing is whether it makes sense to go to a casino right now without a compelling reason.  I'd do it for sufficient $ rewards but not for recreation.  YMMV.

As you probably have read, only the N95 style masks provide real protection against others.  All the rest mostly serve to protect others if you have the virus.

I just saw your second post.  The 3.4% estimate is worldwide.  Thanks to our better health care system, the US rate probably will turn out to be well under 1%.  And most of the 1% will be elderly folks with some preexisiting medical condition.  

GMan

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 4:42 PM harry.porter@verizon.net [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

I'm getting ready to book my first casino trip in 5 months (still prepping our house  for sale and for the move from GA to MA).

So, I'm curious how actively players are engaging in against COVID-19 (much less, seasonal colds this spring).  I generally break out the hand sanitizer around this time of year and liberally apply it to machine buttons before playing.  At minimum, I'm considering upping that game to latex gloves.

Obviously masks are in vogue lately.  Until US incidence spikes up a bit, I'm inclined to forego that precaution -- guess I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this would be "overkill" for now and focusing my attention on limiting surface contact.  But I guess I'll keep a mask at the ready in the event that someone is actively coughing (it seems impossible to avoid "smoker's hack" in the casino).

I look to completely avoid buffets.  (And with at least one LV confirmed case today, I would think casinos would find it most prudent to shut down buffets until this risk has mostly passed.)  That's not to say that full service restaurants are sterile environments ... but at least I look for some daily screening of workers who'll come in touch with my food.

I'm opening discussion with an intent that there be no alarmist posts; just looking for some thoughtful and reasoned commentary.

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Harry,

Partly informed by a recent SE Asia trip, I think that everything you propose sounds reasonable.  And, if you're under 80 and in generally good health, even catching the virus shouldn't be the worst thing that's ever happened to you.

The question I'm weighing is whether it makes sense to go to a casino right now without a compelling reason.  I'd do it for sufficient $ rewards but not for recreation.  YMMV.

As you probably have read, only the N95 style masks provide real protection against others.  All the rest mostly serve to protect others if you have the virus.

I just saw your second post.  The 3.4% estimate is worldwide.  Thanks to our better health care system, the US rate probably will turn out to be well under 1%.  And most of the 1% will be elderly folks with some preexisiting medical condition.  

GMan

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 4:42 PM harry.porter@verizon.net [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

I'm getting ready to book my first casino trip in 5 months (still prepping our house  for sale and for the move from GA to MA).

So, I'm curious how actively players are engaging in against COVID-19 (much less, seasonal colds this spring).  I generally break out the hand sanitizer around this time of year and liberally apply it to machine buttons before playing.  At minimum, I'm considering upping that game to latex gloves.

Obviously masks are in vogue lately.  Until US incidence spikes up a bit, I'm inclined to forego that precaution -- guess I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this would be "overkill" for now and focusing my attention on limiting surface contact.  But I guess I'll keep a mask at the ready in the event that someone is actively coughing (it seems impossible to avoid "smoker's hack" in the casino).

I look to completely avoid buffets.  (And with at least one LV confirmed case today, I would think casinos would find it most prudent to shut down buffets until this risk has mostly passed.)  That's not to say that full service restaurants are sterile environments ... but at least I look for some daily screening of workers who'll come in touch with my food.

I'm opening discussion with an intent that there be no alarmist posts; just looking for some thoughtful and reasoned commentary.

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Re: [vpFREE] Anyone taking health precautions when playing?

 

Just adding that I grasp a "inconguity" in the percentages cited below (COVID-19 mortality and likelihood of being subject to an accident fatality) ...

Not going to take the time to iron that one out (simply too distracted and too tired right now ...).  I think the general point stands, nonetheless.  (Good enough for me, in any case ;) )


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The COVID-19 mortality rate is currently being cited at 3.4%, but admittedly on very incomplete data (particularly with respect to reporting of less severe cases).  However, all things considered, something in excess of 1% (and quite possibly 2%) seems reasonably likely.  If so, I expect the odds that someone you know will die of COVID-19 in the next year is significantly higher than that they'll die in an auto accident.  For me, that quantifies the risk as something for which I want engage in at least modest preventative measures.

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Re: [vpFREE] Anyone taking health precautions when playing?

 

Fair enough assessment, Dave.  I only wish I could lose a little weight by something as simply direct as "washing my hands and avoiding touching my face".

Irrespective of other life risks/hazards, past experience has alerted me to how much of a disruption a severe cold can be.  And, generally speaking, modest precautions significantly reduce exposure.  I'm faring much better these days in cold frequency vs 15 years ago.

The COVID-19 mortality rate is currently being cited at 3.4%, but admittedly on very incomplete data (particularly with respect to reporting of less severe cases).  However, all things considered, something in excess of 1% (and quite possibly 2%) seems reasonably likely.  If so, I expect the odds that someone you know will die of COVID-19 in the next year is significantly higher than that they'll die in an auto accident.  For me, that quantifies the risk as something for which I want engage in at least modest preventative measures.

You identify other behavior modifications that most certainly would reduce my mortality risk.  All I can suggest is that in reducing COVID-19 exposure risk, the associated actions are in no way exclusionary of these other lifestyle changes (i.e. it's not an "either/or" situation).



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Let's start with the assumption that everyone in this group is reasonably familiar with probability and risk. Then let's examine all of the risks to our health and safety. Do you believe that COVID-19 is the biggest of those risks? If not, then what have you done to reduce or eliminate the others? If the answer is not much, then you're probably spending too much time and effort taking precautions against something that is very unlikely to kill you and not enough time and effort on the things that are. I don't want to discourage anyone from washing their hands and avoiding touching their face, but it would probably be much healthier to stop smoking, lose weight, get more exercise, drink less, and get more sleep.
Let's


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Re: [vpFREE] Anyone taking health precautions when playing?

 

It's an interesting question.  One I will be giving serious thought to as I have 20 or so hours in airports/airplanes and a voyage on a vessel of human soup in the next few months...  Assuming cruise ships are still sailing in May.

I've been too intensely busy to make any casino trips the last couple of months, not that there are any plays I neglected.  I'll be at a local tomorrow, though.  Mostly to pass time and catch up with a friend.  I imagine there will be a lot of hand sanitizer involved and an awareness of touching anything other hands may have touched.  I have used hand sanitizer pretty regularly anyway since getting norovirus in Laughlin many years ago.

 I was on a cruise that I take every year in January and mid cruise they started having everything dispensed by staff at the buffet.  All beverages.  All food.  At the time I was annoyed.  Now I think I would welcome it.

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I'm getting ready to book my first casino trip in 5 months (still prepping our house  for sale and for the move from GA to MA).

So, I'm curious how actively players are engaging in against COVID-19 (much less, seasonal colds this spring).  I generally break out the hand sanitizer around this time of year and liberally apply it to machine buttons before playing.  At minimum, I'm considering upping that game to latex gloves.

Obviously masks are in vogue lately.  Until US incidence spikes up a bit, I'm inclined to forego that precaution -- guess I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this would be "overkill" for now and focusing my attention on limiting surface contact.  But I guess I'll keep a mask at the ready in the event that someone is actively coughing (it seems impossible to avoid "smoker's hack" in the casino).

I look to completely avoid buffets.  (And with at least one LV confirmed case today, I would think casinos would find it most prudent to shut down buffets until this risk has mostly passed.)  That's not to say that full service restaurants are sterile environments ... but at least I look for some daily screening of workers who'll come in touch with my food.

I'm opening discussion with an intent that there be no alarmist posts; just looking for some thoughtful and reasoned commentary.

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