Re: [vpFREE] Re: Math v. Superstition?

 

Most players generally play too passively, too straightforwardly, with not enough bluffing. So their natural reaction to a losing player actually has them playing more balanced and better overall. Sure you shift your strategy to account, but you're usually going to be less profitable on the whole.

Ed

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On Dec 14, 2011, at 4:00 PM, Tom Robertson <007@embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Bob Bartop wrote:
>
> >--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Peter M." <midnight1626@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> Live poker is different than other forms of gambling in this regard.
> >> Not because the cards have memory or that you can actually predict the
> >> length of a rush, but because you are playing against other fallible
> >> human players, and if the other players *perceive* you to be on a
> >> lucky streak, how they react to your play might be different. They
> >> may fold more readily, making bluffs more likely to succeed. Knowing
> >> your current table image can be a useful poker skill.
> >>
> >
> >
> >Very well put, Peter. And if I might add, when you are getting bad cards or having bad luck, your opponents are inspired by your misfortune. They attack more readily, they take shots at you, they play better against you. So unless the game is REALLY good, then it is a good time to find another game.
>
> Wouldn't that be a good time to play more passively and encourage
> aggressive players to play even more over-aggressive?
>

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Re: [vpFREE] Math v. Superstition?

 

No,it's good...just having fun.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Robertson <007@embarqmail.com>
To: vpFREE <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 14, 2011 6:57 pm
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Math v. Superstition?

You say that like it's not a good thing.

marc wrote:

>Here we go again.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tom Robertson <007@embarqmail.com>
>To: vpFREE <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Wed, Dec 14, 2011 4:25 pm
>Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Math v. Superstition?
>
>
>
>
>GURU PERF wrote:
>
>>If I'm in the middle of a good streak
>
>How do you know you're in the mid ...
>
>Never mind.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [vpFREE] Math v. Superstition?

 

Peter wrote:

>On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:39 PM, GURU PERF <guruperf@att.net> wrote:
>> That response was jocular, not mathematical, much in the way (I believe)
>> Tom's response to Jean Scott was: I teach "bad" machines the worst
>> lesson of all. I stay on them.
>
>Sorry if I missed your intended humor. But then I'm not sure what to make of:
>
>> But for me it is a control mechanism that allows me to continually
>> assess my current situation, and avoid such things as throwing good
>> money after bad, beating dead horses, and the classic definition of
>> Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting
>> different results.
>
>Are you still joking here? Staying on a machine that has been cold
>isn't throwing money after bad. And gambling by its nature is about
>doing the same things and not knowing which result to expect.
>
>i.e. the suggestion that there's even something to avoid implies that
>the past results are somehow an indicator of what's to come.
>
>Maybe it's just too subtle for me :-)

Understanding how to ride out winning streaks and quit before a losing
streak starts is VERY subtle, Peter. It's not for everyone.

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Re: [vpFREE] Math v. Superstition?

 

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:39 PM, GURU PERF <guruperf@att.net> wrote:
> That response was jocular, not mathematical, much in the way (I believe)
> Tom's response to Jean Scott was: I teach "bad" machines the worst
> lesson of all. I stay on them.

Sorry if I missed your intended humor. But then I'm not sure what to make of:

> But for me it is a control mechanism that allows me to continually
> assess my current situation, and avoid such things as throwing good
> money after bad, beating dead horses, and the classic definition of
> Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting
> different results.

Are you still joking here? Staying on a machine that has been cold
isn't throwing money after bad. And gambling by its nature is about
doing the same things and not knowing which result to expect.

i.e. the suggestion that there's even something to avoid implies that
the past results are somehow an indicator of what's to come.

Maybe it's just too subtle for me :-)

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[vpFREE] Re: Math v. Superstition?

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Tom Robertson <007@...> wrote:
>

>
> Wouldn't that be a good time to play more passively and encourage
> aggressive players to play even more over-aggressive?
>

I guess that would be advisable, IF for whatever reason I choose to stay in the game. But I've usually played in venues where there are many games within walking or driving distance. There's just so many ways opponents play better against you when you're getting your butt kicked. Even little old ladies who have not bluffed since the Truman Administration, suddenly they rob you. I might as well find a fresh game, sit down in it, and lie about how hot I've been running lately.

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Re: [vpFREE] Math v. Superstition?

 

GURU PERF wrote:

>You know you are in a good streak while you keep on winning.

But, but ...

>the classic definition of Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein

I've never understood this statement. Doesn't it say that persistence
is a vice? Einstein seemed to have trouble believing in inherent
probability. People who believe only in determinism don't make very
good gamblers. They say things such as, regarding the results of a
sporting event, when a heavy underdog won, that "it was the best team
that day."

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Math v. Superstition?

 

Bob Bartop wrote:

>--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Peter M." <midnight1626@...> wrote:
>>
>> Live poker is different than other forms of gambling in this regard.
>> Not because the cards have memory or that you can actually predict the
>> length of a rush, but because you are playing against other fallible
>> human players, and if the other players *perceive* you to be on a
>> lucky streak, how they react to your play might be different. They
>> may fold more readily, making bluffs more likely to succeed. Knowing
>> your current table image can be a useful poker skill.
>>
>
>
>Very well put, Peter. And if I might add, when you are getting bad cards or having bad luck, your opponents are inspired by your misfortune. They attack more readily, they take shots at you, they play better against you. So unless the game is REALLY good, then it is a good time to find another game.

Wouldn't that be a good time to play more passively and encourage
aggressive players to play even more over-aggressive?

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Re: [vpFREE] Math v. Superstition?

 

Peter wrote:

>On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:52 PM, GURU PERF <guruperf@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, let's see:
>>
>> Coin-inCash out
>> $200    $400 min.
>>
>> $100    $300min.
>> $100    $300min.
>> (I'm in the middle of a good streak now)
>>
>> $100    $300min.
>> $100    $300min.
>> $100    $0
>> End of good streak.
>>
>> See, its not really too difficult a concept to grasp. Just concentrate ; )
>
>You haven't actually answered Tom's question.
>
>What you have described above is a technique for determining where the
>middle was for a streak that has already ended.
>
>How do you know, as you play the current hand, that you are in the
>middle of a streak that will continue, as opposed to a streak that
>just ended on the previous hand?

Someone had to do it. GURU PERF wrote a perfectly funny answer and
you had to go and ruin it by asking something like that. Oh well.

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Re: [vpFREE] Math v. Superstition?

 

You say that like it's not a good thing.

marc wrote:

>Here we go again.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tom Robertson <007@embarqmail.com>
>To: vpFREE <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Wed, Dec 14, 2011 4:25 pm
>Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Math v. Superstition?
>
>
>
>
>GURU PERF wrote:
>
>>If I'm in the middle of a good streak
>
>How do you know you're in the mid ...
>
>Never mind.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [vpFREE] Math v. Superstition?

 

GURU PERF wrote:

>Well, let's see:
>
>Coin-inCash out
>$200    $400 min.
>
>$100    $300min.
>$100    $300min.
>(I'm in the middle of a good streak now)
>
>$100    $300min.
>$100    $300min.
>$100    $0
>End of good streak.
>
>See, its not really too difficult a concept to grasp. Just concentrate ; ) 

I get it! First you play. Then you record your results as you did
above. And then, after you're done playing, you go back and find a
winning streak and, in the middle, you insert the message "I'm in the
middle of a good streak now." And when you're done playing, since the
last result was a loss, you insert the message "End of good streak."
I finally understand. I was always a little slow. But didn't you
insert the message "End of good streak" one line too late? Maybe I
still don't get it. :(

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Re: [vpFREE] Math v. Superstition?

 

That response was jocular, not mathematical, much in the way (I believe) Tom's response to Jean Scott was: I teach "bad" machines the worst lesson of all. I stay on them.

You know you are in a good streak while you keep on winning. When you lose a net 20 hands, I consider it to be over. That means that your winning hands along the way, straights, trips, flushes, etc. have been wiped out by the accumulation of losing hands. I don't worry about whether any one particular hand is a continuation of a streak.

That's my way of doing it, which is why I wrote YMMV. It is not for everyone, perhaps for no one else. But for me it is a control mechanism that allows me to continually assess my current situation, and avoid such things as throwing good money after bad, beating dead horses, and the classic definition of Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein
 
Certainly the game is rigged. Don't let that stop you; if you don't bet, you can't win. -Lazarus Long
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is. -Yogi Berra
There is no such thing as luck. There is only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe. -Robert Heinlein

>________________________________
> From: Peter M. <midnight1626@gmail.com>
>To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:41 PM
>Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Math v. Superstition?
>
>
> 
>On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:52 PM, GURU PERF <guruperf@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, let's see:
>>
>> Coin-inCash out
>> $200    $400 min.
>>
>> $100    $300min.
>> $100    $300min.
>> (I'm in the middle of a good streak now)
>>
>> $100    $300min.
>> $100    $300min.
>> $100    $0
>> End of good streak.
>>
>> See, its not really too difficult a concept to grasp. Just concentrate ; )
>
>You haven't actually answered Tom's question.
>
>What you have described above is a technique for determining where the
>middle was for a streak that has already ended.
>
>How do you know, as you play the current hand, that you are in the
>middle of a streak that will continue, as opposed to a streak that
>just ended on the previous hand?
>
>
>
>

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[vpFREE] Re: Math v. Superstition?

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:
>
> Ride like Patton and Churchill, they shot their rides at the first sign of insubordination and ordered a fresh mount,

I can't tell if you're joking or not. That ain't true, is it? They didn't really shoot them, did they? That's horrible. lol Tell me you're kidding.

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