[vpFREE] Re: Revel Atlantic city

 

What do you call VLT's at non-indian casinos?
Empire is lottery scratch but that's the same as indian scrath card?
Here's a quote i googled from casinotime.com

"Indian casinos are able to offer bingo, scratch-off tickets, and pull-tabs games as long as the state allows charities to run those games. A Class II gaming device just puts a slot machine front on one of these games. Class II games require a central server to determine the outcome of a spin. A Class II machine does not determine the result of a spin; it just displays it."

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, kelso 1600 <kelso1600@...> wrote:
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> Class II gambling ONLY refers to Indian gaming. The racinos in New York are not Indian casinos and thus are not Class II gaming.
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> The video poker in New York at the racinos is not a random deal in accordance with the gaming regulations and the results of a draw in video poker are based on a lottery scratch card system.
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> > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> > From: mspevack@...
> > Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 21:48:59 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Revel Atlantic city
> >
> > On 4/14/2013 8:27 PM, Dave wrote:
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> > > Empire does not rig "vp" machines. They are Video Lottery Terminals
> > > all connected together and the players are competing against each
> > > other in a bingo game yype drawing. That's Class II gambling - A game
> > > of chance. Skill does not effect outcome.
> > >
> > That seems to mean that anyone would be a lot smarter to play at 2 a.m.
> > Monday than at 8 p.m. on Saturday. Seems like a smart way to fleece the
> > larger crowds.
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[vpFREE] Re: Revel Atlantic city

 

Bally's and IGT and the other manufacturers were allowed to start making the fraudulent video poker machines years ago, supposedly the machines are never allowed across the Nevada or New Jersey state lines however, where they are technically illegal. In Nevada or New Jersey if you make a machine version of an actual casino game, like blackjack or poker or dice or roulette, the virtual odds have to match the physical odds. But somehow the games with wheel spins were allowed to sneak in, virtual wheels are almost always unevenly weighted, which would be fraud in a physical wheel. Those machines should have a disclaimer, something like: "wheel positions may not have an equal chance of hitting". There are some new slots with a bonus round that involves throwing virtual dice, I don't know if those correctly match physical dice or not as I've never tracked them, yet. The wizard has tips on how to track a slot machine:

wizardofodds.com/games/slots/

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "richmontgomery138" <richmontgomery138@...> wrote:
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> Now your post brings up an interesting question regarding Empire and the hold. What if the slot hold is higher and the VP play is more true to being random and not fake?do you know the answer? And how does a casino rig a game king VP machine to cheat ?
> I'm not challenging you but want more answers
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <haaljo@> wrote:
> >
> > On VPFREE or one of her daughter boards; has been noted that EMPIRE is required to hold 8% of VLT action. Correct it's a shitty payout but may actually be better than AC for slot player.
> >
> > If AC casino hold is reported at 8%, could be the slot machine hold is >10% while the VP hold is <5%.
> > Empire is 8% for both slot and the fake VP.
> > This could be noticeable and slot players would start to recognize the Empire machines are looser.
> >
> > Another nail in the AC coffin and force AC to reduce slot hold.
> > But then again NY state could increase hold some rainy day.
> >
> > I think this is right. If VP action is a high percentage of total could be very significant. Never have seen percent of total action attributed to VP vs. one armed bandits.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yeah I think NYC people have decided that if you're going to get shitty payouts in AC you might as well save the 2 hour trip and get them at home.
> > > Still worth it if you can get a free room-although on that score Foxwoods is just as desperate in handing them out as AC.
> > >
> > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <haaljo@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Grand opening of what? Revel has been open for a year now.
> > > > "Times must be difficult" for Revel is an understatement. Pennsylvania take is more than AC nowadays. Empire Type II VP Racino in NYC take has been stunning. Enough for the owners to buy out the Echelon project from Boyd. I think it's a Malaysian outfit.
> > > >
> > > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "richmontgomery138" <richmontgomery138@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Times must be difficult for revel last year I had a great borgata day and decided to check out revel with some of the winnings. It was right before the grand opening
> > > > > Well I played for 30 minutes and lost some of the borgata winnings. Since then I have been getting offer like crazy. This week an umbrella one day and free tickets to see il divo and a room on another day
> > > > > I guess they have to keep on trying to get me back
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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RE: [vpFREE] Re: Revel Atlantic city

 

Class II gambling ONLY refers to Indian gaming. The racinos in New York are not Indian casinos and thus are not Class II gaming.

The video poker in New York at the racinos is not a random deal in accordance with the gaming regulations and the results of a draw in video poker are based on a lottery scratch card system.

> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> From: mspevack@optonline.net
> Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 21:48:59 -0400
> Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Revel Atlantic city
>
> On 4/14/2013 8:27 PM, Dave wrote:
> >
> > Empire does not rig "vp" machines. They are Video Lottery Terminals
> > all connected together and the players are competing against each
> > other in a bingo game yype drawing. That's Class II gambling - A game
> > of chance. Skill does not effect outcome.
> >
> That seems to mean that anyone would be a lot smarter to play at 2 a.m.
> Monday than at 8 p.m. on Saturday. Seems like a smart way to fleece the
> larger crowds.
>
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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Revel Atlantic city

 

On 4/14/2013 8:27 PM, Dave wrote:
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> Empire does not rig "vp" machines. They are Video Lottery Terminals
> all connected together and the players are competing against each
> other in a bingo game yype drawing. That's Class II gambling - A game
> of chance. Skill does not effect outcome.
>
That seems to mean that anyone would be a lot smarter to play at 2 a.m.
Monday than at 8 p.m. on Saturday. Seems like a smart way to fleece the
larger crowds.

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[vpFREE] Re: Revel Atlantic city

 

Everything I have read on VPFREE, her daughterboards, and the ACVPP players groups is Empire VP is not random. There's no such thing as "more true to random" :-) - The fake VP has the little green elf come up or something like that which is indicative of Class II machines.

Empire does not rig "vp" machines. They are Video Lottery Terminals all connected together and the players are competing against each other in a bingo game yype drawing. That's Class II gambling - A game of chance. Skill does not effect outcome.

Class III video poker gambling is a game of skill where Skill effects outcome.

One the other grips, ~10 years Empire will be Class III gaming with game of skill video poker and human dealers. A hotel and other resort style amenities. All in da middle of Yonkers.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "richmontgomery138" <richmontgomery138@...> wrote:
>
> Now your post brings up an interesting question regarding Empire and the hold. What if the slot hold is higher and the VP play is more true to being random and not fake?do you know the answer? And how does a casino rig a game king VP machine to cheat ?
> I'm not challenging you but want more answers
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <haaljo@> wrote:
> >
> > On VPFREE or one of her daughter boards; has been noted that EMPIRE is required to hold 8% of VLT action. Correct it's a shitty payout but may actually be better than AC for slot player.
> >
> > If AC casino hold is reported at 8%, could be the slot machine hold is >10% while the VP hold is <5%.
> > Empire is 8% for both slot and the fake VP.
> > This could be noticeable and slot players would start to recognize the Empire machines are looser.
> >
> > Another nail in the AC coffin and force AC to reduce slot hold.
> > But then again NY state could increase hold some rainy day.
> >
> > I think this is right. If VP action is a high percentage of total could be very significant. Never have seen percent of total action attributed to VP vs. one armed bandits.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yeah I think NYC people have decided that if you're going to get shitty payouts in AC you might as well save the 2 hour trip and get them at home.
> > > Still worth it if you can get a free room-although on that score Foxwoods is just as desperate in handing them out as AC.
> > >
> > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <haaljo@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Grand opening of what? Revel has been open for a year now.
> > > > "Times must be difficult" for Revel is an understatement. Pennsylvania take is more than AC nowadays. Empire Type II VP Racino in NYC take has been stunning. Enough for the owners to buy out the Echelon project from Boyd. I think it's a Malaysian outfit.
> > > >
> > > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "richmontgomery138" <richmontgomery138@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Times must be difficult for revel last year I had a great borgata day and decided to check out revel with some of the winnings. It was right before the grand opening
> > > > > Well I played for 30 minutes and lost some of the borgata winnings. Since then I have been getting offer like crazy. This week an umbrella one day and free tickets to see il divo and a room on another day
> > > > > I guess they have to keep on trying to get me back
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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[vpFREE] Vegas Values Report - 14 APR 2013

 

Vegas Values Report - 14 APR 2013

http://www.americancasinoguide.com/vegas-values/april-14-2013-vegas-values-report.html

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[vpFREE] Vp tournaments

 


When I hit one once it kept playing (that was the only time I've EVER hit a royal on a redraw).

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[vpFREE] Re: Revel Atlantic city

 

Now your post brings up an interesting question regarding Empire and the hold. What if the slot hold is higher and the VP play is more true to being random and not fake?do you know the answer? And how does a casino rig a game king VP machine to cheat ?
I'm not challenging you but want more answers

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <haaljo@...> wrote:
>
> On VPFREE or one of her daughter boards; has been noted that EMPIRE is required to hold 8% of VLT action. Correct it's a shitty payout but may actually be better than AC for slot player.
>
> If AC casino hold is reported at 8%, could be the slot machine hold is >10% while the VP hold is <5%.
> Empire is 8% for both slot and the fake VP.
> This could be noticeable and slot players would start to recognize the Empire machines are looser.
>
> Another nail in the AC coffin and force AC to reduce slot hold.
> But then again NY state could increase hold some rainy day.
>
> I think this is right. If VP action is a high percentage of total could be very significant. Never have seen percent of total action attributed to VP vs. one armed bandits.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah I think NYC people have decided that if you're going to get shitty payouts in AC you might as well save the 2 hour trip and get them at home.
> > Still worth it if you can get a free room-although on that score Foxwoods is just as desperate in handing them out as AC.
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <haaljo@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Grand opening of what? Revel has been open for a year now.
> > > "Times must be difficult" for Revel is an understatement. Pennsylvania take is more than AC nowadays. Empire Type II VP Racino in NYC take has been stunning. Enough for the owners to buy out the Echelon project from Boyd. I think it's a Malaysian outfit.
> > >
> > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "richmontgomery138" <richmontgomery138@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Times must be difficult for revel last year I had a great borgata day and decided to check out revel with some of the winnings. It was right before the grand opening
> > > > Well I played for 30 minutes and lost some of the borgata winnings. Since then I have been getting offer like crazy. This week an umbrella one day and free tickets to see il divo and a room on another day
> > > > I guess they have to keep on trying to get me back
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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[vpFREE] Re: VP Tournaments

 

In tournaments at Silver Legacy I've played in 5 years ago and longer, play continues.  Its total score for a set # of hands, so hand pay is irrelevant.  The machine is set to "tournament" mode.  I strongly suspect tournaments elsewhere are the same, but welcome other observations.

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RE: [vpFREE] Re: Can't listen to Bob Dancer's show

 

mike wrote: The live website simulcast on KLAV.

It's been down for me the last 4 weeks. No big problem though as I can listen to the podcast the next day.

BTW that woman you had on last show was by far the funniest guest you ever had on.

You've covered so many topics how about an exclusively Reno show?

Our guest this past week, Cat Hulbert, has generated a lot more comment than most --- pro and con but mostly pro. She was a handful. She'd get off-topic sometimes and Munch or I would need to reel her back in --- and the producer was ready with the delete button because she uses "colorful" language sometimes. Both Munchkin and I enjoyed the show --- but it was a workout for us.

Reno would be an interesting topic. On this forum I assume you are talking about video poker in Reno, yes? We'd need a guest (probably a professional or semi-pro player) who was knowledgeable about the various casinos in greater Reno (possibly including Carson City/Tahoe etc.) on several levels --- from 25c to $5. I personally do not have such expertise --- although I certainly know enough to have some good questions.

If there is such a person out there who thinks they would be good on the radio --- under your own name or under a pseudonym --- contact me at gamblingwithanedge@gmail.com

Bob



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[vpFREE] Re: VP Tournaments

 

Since these are tournament machines, not real cash wins, there is no lockup, and you keep playing. (If the tournament is time-sensitive, hit the Deal or Draw button to register the credits quickly, rather than waiting for a roll up.)

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tikithecat73lakeworth" <fjc73@...> wrote:
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> What happens if you hit a royal during a tournament? Does the machine lock up? Or, can you continute playing?
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