[vpFREE] Re: Hall of Fame stringent rules

 

Looking at the list I could see 10+ deserving persons to be in the hall of fame.
Yet it would be hard for one person out of 20 to get 33% of the vote.

With the vote now once every four years, it would seem anti-climatic if nobody
new were to get in. Perhaps the vote qualifications could be tweeked to get 1 or
2 in for sure every four years.

Perhaps the top two vote totals could get in.

Perhaps the top five vote totals could go to a runoff where say then if someone
gets 33% they are in. (but this would involve the extra work of a 2nd election)

Perhaps you could cast up to 6 votes, then those getting named on at least 70%
of the ballots will get in. (or to be sure someone gets in, just name the top
person or top two persons as automatic inductees*) This is how the baseball hall
of fame does it, with a 75% rate requirement. (you could cast 0,1,2,3,4,5, or 6
votes, so if you only felt 3 were worthy, you just vote for 3)

*I think I would favor this method the best, as it is hard to just cast one vote
when so many are deserving. I don't think adding 1-2 person every 4 years is too dilutive to the stature of the HOF.

TomSki

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bob Dancer <bobdancervp@...> wrote:
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> The Hall of Fame has strange rules. The
> nominations only come about every four years and you need at least 1/3 of the
> vote to get in. If everybody casts a private ballot with more than a dozen
> candidates, the odds are against any individual receiving that high of a
> percentage.
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> The way to make sure that at
> least one nominee receives at least 1/3 of the vote is for most of us to
> announce our vote before we cast it --- see which of the one or two are
> receiving the most announcements --- and then if one or both of those front-runners
> are worthy of induction in your opinion --- vote for one of the two front-runners. A vote for a non-front-runner is a vote that makes it more difficult for ANY candidate to reach the 33% threshhold. This isn't "Democracy
> in Action," as usually defined in the United States, but it is the way to get
> it done in this particular Hall of Fame election.
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> I would
> happily support the vpFREE Adminstrator if he would run. This forum has changed the
> face of video poker, and basically he created it and runs it. He claims the
> rules state that he is ineligible. Of course, the Administrator himself created
> the rules for vpFREE. This means that he doesn't want the publicity. (I asked
> him to be a guest on the Gambling with an Edge radio show and
> he declined, citing the wish to maintain a private profile.) I respect his
> wishes and am looking elsewhere for candidates.
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> I'm personally supporting Ernie
> Moody --- the inventor of Triple Play --- and recommend you strongly consider him. Ernie started Action Gaming, later known
> as videopoker.com, and that company has created a very high percentage of the
> interesting new games in the past 15 years --- like Triple Play through Hundred
> Play, Spin Poker, Super Times Pay, Quick Quads, Ultimate X, Wheel Poker, and a
> large variety of other games. Nobody else has EVER introduced such a large
> variety of interesting games in such a short period of time. Everybody has
> their own opinion as to what games are the most fun, of course, but many of these
> games rate high on my own "fun factor" list (especially Quick Quads and
> Ultimate X), and if I'm given a choice between single line and multi-line for
> the same pay schedule and denomination, I will ALWAYS pick the multi-line
> version over the single line version. Your opinion might be different, of
> course, but almost all of are glad that we at least HAVE that choice. Without Ernie Moody, we wouldn't.
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[vpFREE] Re: 2012 vpFREE Hall of Fame Election

 

Looking at the list I could see 10+ deserving persons to be in the hall of fame. Yet it would be hard for one person out of 20 to get 33% of the vote.

With the vote now once every four years, it would seem anti-climatic if nobody new were to get in. Perhaps the vote qualifications could be tweeked to get 1 or 2 in for sure every four years.

Perhaps the top two vote totals could get in.

Perhaps the top five vote totals could go to a runoff where say then if someone gets 33% they are in. (but this would involve the extra work of a 2nd election)

Perhaps you could cast up to 6 votes, then those getting named on at least 70% of the ballots will get in. (or to be sure someone gets in, just name the top person or top two persons as automatic inductees*) This is how the baseball hall of fame does it, with a 75% rate requirement. (you could cast 0,1,2,3,4,5, or 6 votes, so if you only felt 3 were worthy, you just vote for 3)

*I think I would favor this method the best, as it is hard to just cast one vote when so many are deserving.

TomSki

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vpFREE Administrator <vpfree3355@...> wrote:
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> In 2002 the vpFREE Video Poker Group elected and inducted
> five charter members into the vpFREE VIDEO POKER HALL OF
> FAME, which recognizes and honors those who have made
> significant contributions to the playing, understanding and
> popularity of video poker. These charter members and the
> 2003 through 2008 inductees are:
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> Gary Catlin
> Bob Dancer
> Lenny Frome
> Skip Hughes
> Dan Paymar
> Si Redd
> Jean Scott
> TomSki
> Michael "The Wizard of Odds" Shackleford
> Stanford Wong
> Dean Zamzow
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> These members are honored on the Hall of Fame web site:
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> http://www.west-point.org/users/usma1955/20228/V/HOF.htm
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> Hall of Fame elections are now held every four years (years
> evenly divisible by four) and a nominee must get more than
> 33% of the votes cast (every vpFREE member has one vote) in
> order to be inducted. If no one receives more than 33% of
> the votes cast, there will not be an inductee that year.
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> The 2012 Hall of Fame election will be conducted between 8
> December and 22 December 2012.
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> For additional Hall of Fame information, see FAQ #60:
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> http://www.west-point.org/users/usma1955/20228/V/FAQ.htm#60
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> The vpFREE Administrative Committee has selected the following
> nominees for the 2012 Hall of Fame election:
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> Linda Boyd
> Jazbo Burns
> Jeffrey Compton
> Anthony Curtis
> Liam Daily
> Larry DeMar
> Dunbar
> Elliot Frome
> John Grochowski
> Art "5-card" Harris
> Steve Jacobs
> J.B.
> John "Lodestone" Kelly
> Frank Kneeland
> Scot Krause
> Hans "Tuna" Lund
> Ernie Moody
> Harry Porter
> vpFREE2 Administrator
> Jim Wolf
>
> The 2012 Nominee web page which lists the nominees and a
> short, video poker relevant biography can be viewed at:
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> http://www.west-point.org/users/usma1955/20228/V/HOFN.htm
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> Between now and 8 December, additional nominees can be
> suggested by vpFREE members (along with their
> qualifications), and the merits of anyone's favorite can be
> expounded and discussed. Any suggested nominee(s) who
> receive majority approval from the Administrative Committee
> will be added to the list of nominees.
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> vpFREE Administrator
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[vpFREE] super time play

 

Two days at Gold Coast playing STP JoB .25 5play, all machines had normal multipliers come up, except one machine. 135 straight plays without a multipier. Thats when I gave up and moved machines. Just to see, played the same machine the next morning, and again no multiplier in 25 plays. Decided not to make another run at how long it would go with no multiplier. That extra 5 quarters a play adds up with either a very long streak, or a non working machine.

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Three Votes for the Hal of Fame

 

Thanks Mickey, sounds like he made quite the impression on you. Maybe I'll run into his ghost someday, as our base is now an RV park in the Carson Valley.

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Rob, the first time I seen Tuna was at the 1992 final event of the WSOP. He was at the final table and came in third behind Tom Jacobs and Hameed Dastmalchi. I had no clue who he was. I watched that final table without enough money in my pocket to rub two quarters together. Somehow in that process I was inspired to becoome a professional gambler ...

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Auto hold (was Palms)

 

Bob,

My recent experience was on the newer Game King machines in the high limit
area. I do recall some years ago that the auto hold at Barona was
notoriously flawed. It seems to be much better now in terms of correct play holds
(at least on JOB).

W


In a message dated 12/6/2012 3:39:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
futrend@yahoo.com writes:

I have not been to Barona for over a year. However, there was
a big difference in the accuracy of the auto hold feature. It
depended upon the age of the machine.

You did not want to use "auto hold" on the older uprights.
You could use it, but you had to correct many hands. The
"newer/lower" Game Kings machines has an auto hold feature
that seemed very accurate. Maybe those old uprights are now
gone. This difference was observed while playing $1 9/6 JoB
on both type of machines.

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: 2012 vpFREE Hall of Fame Election

 

+1

What has it come to, this sensible life?

On Dec 5, 2012, at 12:40 PM, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com> wrote:

> A Video Poker Hall Of Fame without Hans "Tuna" Lund in it is nothing but a joke. I suggest changing the name to The Video Poker Products Hall of Fame....because the only people in it are/were selling something.
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[vpFREE] Re: Palms

 

FWIW,

I have not been to Barona for over a year. However, there was
a big difference in the accuracy of the auto hold feature. It
depended upon the age of the machine.

You did not want to use "auto hold" on the older uprights.
You could use it, but you had to correct many hands. The
"newer/lower" Game Kings machines has an auto hold feature
that seemed very accurate. Maybe those old uprights are now
gone. This difference was observed while playing $1 9/6 JoB
on both type of machines.

I would think, with a little observation, you could make
a reasonable decision playing any game on any machine.

Bob

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, walterhnri@... wrote:
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> At Barona last weekend, I never saw an error in the auto hold through two
> hours of play on one of the 3-play .50 JOB machines listed in VPFree2.
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> W
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> In a message dated 12/5/2012 5:23:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> rob.singer1111@... writes:
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> I've seen those machines very infrequently over the years, and I can confirm that not all holds programmed into them are perfect play holds. Most, but not all. That used to be an option available on a lot of machines, but not many had it activated. I haven't been keeping up with thy newer ones.
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[vpFREE] Re: Three Votes for the Hal of Fame

 

Rob, the first time I seen Tuna was at the 1992 final event of the WSOP. He was at the final table and came in third behind Tom Jacobs and Hameed Dastmalchi. I had no clue who he was. I watched that final table without enough money in my pocket to rub two quarters together. Somehow in that process I was inspired to becoome a professional gambler.

The attempt wasn't an easy ride. I was basically homeless for the next four years. But I eventually got there. Tuna didn't talk to guys like me. He was highly competitive and shunned us. So all I knew about him was what I observed and what others told me about him. So here is some of the stories:

Tuna had a slot team and he is even mentioned in Frank Kneeland's book. We always wondered how Tuna had such extensive knowledge of slot progressives. Tuna grew up in Sparks, Nevada. Many of his classmates became employee's of IGT. I played poker with some of them at the Peppermill/Reno. They were damn good friends of his. But they wouldn't tell me all the information they relayed to him.

Tuna was a poker dealer at the Cal Neva/Reno but was stabbing at gambling. He hit a pick six in the Cal Neva Horse book. About that time a compulsive gambler from Pennsylvania named Kenny the Klone showed up in Reno. Kenny was a mathematical genius. He seen the video poker progressives with big fat meters around town and automatically knew they offered big overlays. But Kenny's problem was he couldn't hold a dollar. So he taught the play to Tuna. Tuna took that football and ran on off with it. He put a slot team together. His was one of the teams that competed against Frank Kneeland's team. But Tuna was nation wide. He would send his team anywhere in the country. He became a multi-millionaire because of his slot team.

Tuna was a strong arm guy. He would monopolize every machine in a joint when a big fat overlay was presented. I stood on the rail many times in Reno when a big fat play was going down because Tuna had every good machine locked up 24 hours a day. If Tuma was late finding a play and we all were working it. If we didn't cut him in he would walk right into Slot Operations and tell them what the hell was going on. I think Tuna's strategy was "F--- everybody but me."

A couple of things happened in the late nineties. Tuna disappeared out of Reno. The rumors were that he was on a big fat video keno play in Florida. And that he had met some crackhead broad in Mississipi, married her and had a couple of kids. Tuna quit showing up at the WSOP. Everybody was asking me "Where is Tuna Lund?" All I could tell them was "I think he's holed up in Florida with some crackhead broad." I ran into Tuna's sister in downtown Las Vegas. She confirmed for me that Tuna was indeed in Florida on a dollar 8-spot video keno play. I ran the math thru my head. The odds are 233,000 and he's betting $4 a game. My God! The cost to produce the solid hit had to be over $100,000.

Around 2005 I found two quarter Draw Till U Win's in Yerington. I invited my friend Al to the play. There was another pro who showed up but left us alone. Al got to talking to the guy and they became friends. It turned out this guy was Tuna's partner on the Florida keno play. He told Al that him and Tuna split $8,000,000 in four years on the play and were paying people $30 an hour to play the game. It has to be the biggest play of all time. Beating one joint out of two million dollars a year. My God!

Tuna showed back up in Reno at about that time. But he wasn't in action that much. Only occasionally. We all thought he might have went broke or something. But then one day I was walking between the El Dorado and the Silver Legacy. Up by that brew pub I saw Tuna and his team on a carousel. They had all 8 machines locked up. I walked over to take a look. Tuna gave me a look like "git the f--- out of here, punk.." I go "No, no, no, Tuna! You don't tell me what to do asshole." They were playing dollar full pay deuces. Except it was twenty coin dollar full pay deuces. The play lasted three days.

Shortly after that Tuna was interviewed by Cardplayer Magazine. He told them he would come back to the WSOP after he got his kids raised. And he had put the broad into rehab.

I came to Montana in November 2007. My only intention was to beat these hillbillies out of a little bit of money then go back to Nevada. A month turned into a year. A year turned into two years. In 2009 my Nevada friends were telling me that Tuna had gone nuts. No one knew it at the time but Tuna had brain cancer. Tuna died in late 2009.

Brad Daugherty, Tuna's best friend, and a WSOP winner,told us that on his death bed Tuna put $10 on a poker site and played poker in the hospital room until he died. He ran the $10 up to $15,000.

A month in Montana has turned into five years. I'm not getting rich here. I turn 50K to 60K a year. But my expenses run 40K a year. But the thing is...I'm happy here. I have a lot of friends here. I've been on the road all my life. I always wondered where the last stop would be. It looks like Montana is my last stop.

But I always think back to those early days. Watching Tuna at the WSOP. The four years of homelessness I put my through just to become somewhat like him. Was it all worth it? Damn right it was worth it. I wouldn't trade the experience for anything....and Tuna Lund gets all three of my votes for the Hall of Fame.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
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> Hans "Tuna" Lund. The absolute best machine pro who has ever existed. Not only video poker but video keno and video line games. A one-time poker dealer who took the knowledge and ran off with it. Tuna was a "one of a kind". He didn't have the kind of knowledge that is known today. He was a pioneer who didn't know anything about we today are about. But he had enough since to take the football and run with it. Long before pros like me existed. My three votes go for Han "Tuna" Lund. My three votes go for Hans Lund, Hans Lund, and Hans Lund.
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[vpFREE] Re: 2012 vpFREE Hall of Fame Election

 

A lot of people learned by watching Tuna. My understanding is that Tuna was the first to discover that 8-5 Jacks or better progressives were beatable, and this was before the use of computers. He also was one of the first at beating progressive slots and piggy bank type slots. He also probably talked too much about how slots were beatable while playing poker, thus educating too much competition. He also was a gold bug, the only question is where are his gold caches? Also, if you want more info search for Hans Lund on youtube and google and wikipedia.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "crazed_gambler" <exgeek@...> wrote:
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> Tuna contributed *nothing*, though he did lead a few teams. And he is dead.
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rob.singer1111@..." <rob.singer1111@> wrote:
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> > Mickey, what exactly has "Tuna" contributed to video poker? Who is he & where is he/what is he doing today?
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> > ----- Reply message -----
> > From: "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@>
> >
> > A Video Poker Hall Of Fame without Hans "Tuna" Lund in it is nothing but a joke. I suggest changing the name to The Video Poker Products Hall of Fame....because the only people in it are/were selling something.
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[vpFREE] LVA Question of the Day - 6 DEC 2012

 

LVA Question of the Day - 6 DEC 2012

Q: What's the name of the bar (not a casino or regular
restaurant) near the Strip that has good steak dinners
that are really inexpensive? It's definitely a bar.

Read the answer here:

http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/qod.cfm

<a href="http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/qod.cfm">
http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/qod.cfm</a>

NOTE: vpFREE access to the Question of the Day link has
been approved by LVA and expires after the current day
for non-LVA members.

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RE: [vpFREE] Auto-hold, was Palms

W wrote: At Barona last weekend, I never saw an error
in the auto hold through two

hours of play on one of the 3-play .50 JOB machines listed in VPFree2.



Where the auto-hold is going to miss is on penalty card
situations --- for example in 9/6 Jacks or Better it will play Ah Kh Qs Js 9c
the same as Ah Kh Qs Js 8c, whereas competent players hold AKQJ in the first
case and 'QJ' in the second. Whether a particular player notices this or not
depends on the player's skills. And there will be hours-long sessions where one
of these hands doesn't come up at all.



In games like Jacks or Better where the flush returns 6
for 1, penalty cards are few and relatively inexpensive. On these games, with
the auto-hold on, you can bang away like it's a slot machine without giving up
too much. On games where the flush only returns 5 for 1 (like Bonus Poker,
White Hot Aces, Super Aces, Super Double Bonus, etc.) penalty cards are much
more common, and more expensive to get wrong. In these games, where you have a suited 'KT2' through 'KT8', the
auto-hold will usually hold 'KT' rather than just the king by itself.



On Joker Wild games, where penalty cards abound, auto-hold
doesn't do well at all. What's worse, for players who use the auto-hold as a
learning device, it will teach you how to play incorrectly.



Bob





















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