Re: [vpFREE] Corona virus consequences?

 

Barry,

Just because there is a rake doesn't mean the game isn't beatable. When I'm in town I play at the Flamingo $2 / $4 ( now $3/$6) limit game and the same at Golden Nugget. Even though the rake huge compared to the bet size, both games are money makers. Yep, the players are that bad. I'd say it's $15/hour. You're not going to get rich but it makes for a nice, positive recreational play. 

JZ


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I haven't played on any of them for a long time, and of course they can set the rake differently at different places, but when I played, I thought I remember that the rake was a little lower than the live poker at other casinos -- but because the hands / hour are higher, the total paid is probably the same or more per hour -- but not per hand.

Again, it could be set higher, lower, or the same as live games.  There's big variation in rakes from one live casino to the next, too -- and it's not a factor to be ignored.

Long before no limit holdem caught on, I was at the Mirage playing limit holdem, and a railbird came up and said to one of the pro's that he had done the math, and the rake came to $500,000 per year per table, so that there had to be that much "new money" (outside non-professional players) lost to cover the rakes, before there was profit to be made by the professionals.  Because of the rake, poker is a game where even though it's often considered a zero-sum game (for every dollar won, someone else loses a dollar), in fact the rake makes it possible for equal players with equal luck, who should pretty much play break-even ordinarily, to have every one of them walk away a loser.  For every dollar lost, a little of that dollar is taken away before giving the change to the winner.

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On Friday, April 17, 2020, 05:48:03 PM EDT, greeklandjohnny@aol.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




The problem with the electronic games is that they raked the same as the live games. You can get 10 to 15 more hands an hour so that rake adds up in a hurry. Granted, no dealer tip but if they ran it with $3 rake up to $60 and $4 after that, they would have customers. $6 rake on $60 is too much. 

JZ


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Are the electronic poker tables any good? I have never seen them in use but they are in several Midwest-casino. Still could have issues with cleaning the controls and screens.

On Friday, April 17, 2020, 04:30:05 PM CDT, Albert Pearson ehpee@rogers.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
The only problem with that solution or any other spacing solution for poker is that since the game is not very profitable for casinos, and all these solutions require a lot of additional floor space they just aren't economically feasible for the casinos. Poker probably won't be back until a vaccine becomes available. 

Regards

A.P.


On Friday, April 17, 2020, 12:16:20 a.m. EDT, Jeffrey Wilens jeff@lakeshorelaw.org [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
They could set up private booths (like those in old-style adult book stores, not that I have any personal experience).  In each booth you log into a video screen and gamble with other players in their own booths (which will have proper ventilation.  You will be able to see the other players on the large videoscreen. 
 
 
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My guess is, no more so than they already have done so -- i.e., some casinos have made some areas non-smoking, and a handful (to my knowledge) have gone completely smoke-free -- I can't imagine if they're chomping at the bit to re-open without sufficient concern about the virus, that it will change their attitude about smoking.
 
Happily, most poker rooms have gone smoke-free (if you ignore the people immediately next to the poker room who are smoking) -- but unhappily, poker has other problems to deal with now.  You can't sit six feet from the other players and handle the chips and cards with gloves and remember to keep those gloves away from your face all the time -- it's just risky business.
 
Of all the advantages of the electronic poker tables, I was aware of many:  faster play, no one can act out of turn or show their cards prematurely, pots are automatically "chopped" without error, no misdeals, no player errors except their own mistakes in betting, and on and on ...  but then someone said they thought they were experience less frequent colds due to the lack of need to handle chips and cards, which I added to the list.  But with social distancing, even that won't work, unless they can re-wire the systems and have 8-9 players in a game sitting at 4-5 separate tables.
 
On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 11:54:09 PM EDT, K/J Haka kjhaka@yahoo.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 
 
 
One thought that has passed my mind is -- will casinos (or gov?) use this whole corona virus
pandemic and it's most reputable characteristic of attacking through the respiratory system
as an "excuse" to go smoke-less?
 
 
 
On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 3:36:05 PM CDT, ROBERT HANNU RWHANNU@aol.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 
 
>>Masks should be mandatory for all persons in the casino public areas. <<
 
****************Hard to drink those free drinks and smoke with a mask on.
 


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Re: [vpFREE] Corona virus consequences?

 

i seen those at the plaza in vegas (now gone) southland gaming outside of memphis (now gone) and at Harrahs cherokee in NC (now gone) and at the silver legacy (now gone). all those places either got rid of poker, or now have live tables with dealers. i dont consider any of those areas as midwest. ive never seen one in MI, IN MN IA, or any other state which people would call midwest. where in the midwest are they?

On Friday, April 17, 2020, 04:48:02 PM CDT, greeklandjohnny@aol.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

The problem with the electronic games is that they raked the same as the live games. You can get 10 to 15 more hands an hour so that rake adds up in a hurry. Granted, no dealer tip but if they ran it with $3 rake up to $60 and $4 after that, they would have customers. $6 rake on $60 is too much. 

JZ


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Sent: Fri, Apr 17, 2020 5:38 pm
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Corona virus consequences?

 
Are the electronic poker tables any good? I have never seen them in use but they are in several Midwest-casino. Still could have issues with cleaning the controls and screens.

On Friday, April 17, 2020, 04:30:05 PM CDT, Albert Pearson ehpee@rogers.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
The only problem with that solution or any other spacing solution for poker is that since the game is not very profitable for casinos, and all these solutions require a lot of additional floor space they just aren't economically feasible for the casinos. Poker probably won't be back until a vaccine becomes available. 

Regards

A.P.


On Friday, April 17, 2020, 12:16:20 a.m. EDT, Jeffrey Wilens jeff@lakeshorelaw.org [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
They could set up private booths (like those in old-style adult book stores, not that I have any personal experience).  In each booth you log into a video screen and gamble with other players in their own booths (which will have proper ventilation.  You will be able to see the other players on the large videoscreen. 
 
 
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714-854-7206 (fax)
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My guess is, no more so than they already have done so -- i.e., some casinos have made some areas non-smoking, and a handful (to my knowledge) have gone completely smoke-free -- I can't imagine if they're chomping at the bit to re-open without sufficient concern about the virus, that it will change their attitude about smoking.
 
Happily, most poker rooms have gone smoke-free (if you ignore the people immediately next to the poker room who are smoking) -- but unhappily, poker has other problems to deal with now.  You can't sit six feet from the other players and handle the chips and cards with gloves and remember to keep those gloves away from your face all the time -- it's just risky business.
 
Of all the advantages of the electronic poker tables, I was aware of many:  faster play, no one can act out of turn or show their cards prematurely, pots are automatically "chopped" without error, no misdeals, no player errors except their own mistakes in betting, and on and on ...  but then someone said they thought they were experience less frequent colds due to the lack of need to handle chips and cards, which I added to the list.  But with social distancing, even that won't work, unless they can re-wire the systems and have 8-9 players in a game sitting at 4-5 separate tables.
 
On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 11:54:09 PM EDT, K/J Haka kjhaka@yahoo.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 
 
 
One thought that has passed my mind is -- will casinos (or gov?) use this whole corona virus
pandemic and it's most reputable characteristic of attacking through the respiratory system
as an "excuse" to go smoke-less?
 
 
 
On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 3:36:05 PM CDT, ROBERT HANNU RWHANNU@aol.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 
 
>>Masks should be mandatory for all persons in the casino public areas. <<
 
****************Hard to drink those free drinks and smoke with a mask on.
 

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Re: [vpFREE] Corona virus consequences?

 

I haven't played on any of them for a long time, and of course they can set the rake differently at different places, but when I played, I thought I remember that the rake was a little lower than the live poker at other casinos -- but because the hands / hour are higher, the total paid is probably the same or more per hour -- but not per hand.

Again, it could be set higher, lower, or the same as live games.  There's big variation in rakes from one live casino to the next, too -- and it's not a factor to be ignored.

Long before no limit holdem caught on, I was at the Mirage playing limit holdem, and a railbird came up and said to one of the pro's that he had done the math, and the rake came to $500,000 per year per table, so that there had to be that much "new money" (outside non-professional players) lost to cover the rakes, before there was profit to be made by the professionals.  Because of the rake, poker is a game where even though it's often considered a zero-sum game (for every dollar won, someone else loses a dollar), in fact the rake makes it possible for equal players with equal luck, who should pretty much play break-even ordinarily, to have every one of them walk away a loser.  For every dollar lost, a little of that dollar is taken away before giving the change to the winner.

=================

On Friday, April 17, 2020, 05:48:03 PM EDT, greeklandjohnny@aol.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




The problem with the electronic games is that they raked the same as the live games. You can get 10 to 15 more hands an hour so that rake adds up in a hurry. Granted, no dealer tip but if they ran it with $3 rake up to $60 and $4 after that, they would have customers. $6 rake on $60 is too much. 

JZ


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Sent: Fri, Apr 17, 2020 5:38 pm
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Corona virus consequences?

 
Are the electronic poker tables any good? I have never seen them in use but they are in several Midwest-casino. Still could have issues with cleaning the controls and screens.

On Friday, April 17, 2020, 04:30:05 PM CDT, Albert Pearson ehpee@rogers.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
The only problem with that solution or any other spacing solution for poker is that since the game is not very profitable for casinos, and all these solutions require a lot of additional floor space they just aren't economically feasible for the casinos. Poker probably won't be back until a vaccine becomes available. 

Regards

A.P.


On Friday, April 17, 2020, 12:16:20 a.m. EDT, Jeffrey Wilens jeff@lakeshorelaw.org [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
They could set up private booths (like those in old-style adult book stores, not that I have any personal experience).  In each booth you log into a video screen and gamble with other players in their own booths (which will have proper ventilation.  You will be able to see the other players on the large videoscreen. 
 
 
Lakeshore Law Center
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No. 107-610
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714-854-7206 (fax)
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My guess is, no more so than they already have done so -- i.e., some casinos have made some areas non-smoking, and a handful (to my knowledge) have gone completely smoke-free -- I can't imagine if they're chomping at the bit to re-open without sufficient concern about the virus, that it will change their attitude about smoking.
 
Happily, most poker rooms have gone smoke-free (if you ignore the people immediately next to the poker room who are smoking) -- but unhappily, poker has other problems to deal with now.  You can't sit six feet from the other players and handle the chips and cards with gloves and remember to keep those gloves away from your face all the time -- it's just risky business.
 
Of all the advantages of the electronic poker tables, I was aware of many:  faster play, no one can act out of turn or show their cards prematurely, pots are automatically "chopped" without error, no misdeals, no player errors except their own mistakes in betting, and on and on ...  but then someone said they thought they were experience less frequent colds due to the lack of need to handle chips and cards, which I added to the list.  But with social distancing, even that won't work, unless they can re-wire the systems and have 8-9 players in a game sitting at 4-5 separate tables.
 
On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 11:54:09 PM EDT, K/J Haka kjhaka@yahoo.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 
 
 
One thought that has passed my mind is -- will casinos (or gov?) use this whole corona virus
pandemic and it's most reputable characteristic of attacking through the respiratory system
as an "excuse" to go smoke-less?
 
 
 
On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 3:36:05 PM CDT, ROBERT HANNU RWHANNU@aol.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 
 
>>Masks should be mandatory for all persons in the casino public areas. <<
 
****************Hard to drink those free drinks and smoke with a mask on.
 


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Re: [vpFREE] Corona virus consequences?

 

They feel a little more like online poker without real cards and chips and without live dealers, but the poker itself is just fine once you get past that.  The first time I played on one, I felt like I was playing online, but the second time, people were talking to others at the table, and it felt more like live poker.

The screens and controls can be disinfected easily with a wipe before you play (and I'm starting to think that's a good practice post-virus anyway, if you're at such a table), but the player sitting a foot or two away from you probably would object to the wiping, and it still wouldn't stop their cough droplets from getting on you.  They are not the solution for COVID unless players can be physically separated, and then you're playing online poker again.



On Friday, April 17, 2020, 05:38:53 PM EDT, Howard Stern pyiddy@att.net [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




Are the electronic poker tables any good? I have never seen them in use but they are in several Midwest-casino. Still could have issues with cleaning the controls and screens.

On Friday, April 17, 2020, 04:30:05 PM CDT, Albert Pearson ehpee@rogers.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

The only problem with that solution or any other spacing solution for poker is that since the game is not very profitable for casinos, and all these solutions require a lot of additional floor space they just aren't economically feasible for the casinos. Poker probably won't be back until a vaccine becomes available. 

Regards

A.P.


On Friday, April 17, 2020, 12:16:20 a.m. EDT, Jeffrey Wilens jeff@lakeshorelaw.org [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

They could set up private booths (like those in old-style adult book stores, not that I have any personal experience).  In each booth you log into a video screen and gamble with other players in their own booths (which will have proper ventilation.  You will be able to see the other players on the large videoscreen. 

 

 

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Jeffrey Wilens, Esq.

18340 Yorba Linda Blvd.

No. 107-610

Yorba Linda, CA 92886

714-854-7205

714-854-7206 (fax)

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My guess is, no more so than they already have done so -- i.e., some casinos have made some areas non-smoking, and a handful (to my knowledge) have gone completely smoke-free -- I can't imagine if they're chomping at the bit to re-open without sufficient concern about the virus, that it will change their attitude about smoking.

 

Happily, most poker rooms have gone smoke-free (if you ignore the people immediately next to the poker room who are smoking) -- but unhappily, poker has other problems to deal with now.  You can't sit six feet from the other players and handle the chips and cards with gloves and remember to keep those gloves away from your face all the time -- it's just risky business.

 

Of all the advantages of the electronic poker tables, I was aware of many:  faster play, no one can act out of turn or show their cards prematurely, pots are automatically "chopped" without error, no misdeals, no player errors except their own mistakes in betting, and on and on ...  but then someone said they thought they were experience less frequent colds due to the lack of need to handle chips and cards, which I added to the list.  But with social distancing, even that won't work, unless they can re-wire the systems and have 8-9 players in a game sitting at 4-5 separate tables.

 

On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 11:54:09 PM EDT, K/J Haka kjhaka@yahoo.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

One thought that has passed my mind is -- will casinos (or gov?) use this whole corona virus

pandemic and it's most reputable characteristic of attacking through the respiratory system

as an "excuse" to go smoke-less?

 

 

 

On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 3:36:05 PM CDT, ROBERT HANNU RWHANNU@aol.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

>>Masks should be mandatory for all persons in the casino public areas. <<

 

****************Hard to drink those free drinks and smoke with a mask on.

 



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