[vpFREE] Re: XVP --- Legal Questions Sought

 

At the risk of beating a dead horse this question is about the device law, specifically about the "gaining an advantage" clause. Let's say I had software that if used every hand would play 9-6 Jacks or Better at 99.5%. I can play 9-6 Jacks perfectly. What advantage did I gain? By using the device I actually lose over not using the devise. I certainly do not have an advantage over the casino using this software (I am at a 1/2% disadvantage). This also brings up an interesting point - it might be legal for me to use this devise but illegal for a poor player (one that plays 9-6 jacks at less than 99.5%). I lose over what I would play without the device but the poor player gains by using the devise. This seems totally absurd to me. Also would it be legal for me to use approx. software that plays 10-7 Double Bonus at 100.1%? I can play 10-7 DB at over 100.1% so I lose by using the software over not using it. As far as "gaining" an advantage I could reply "I did not gain an advantage, I already had the advantage without the devise, in fact an even greater advantage".

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[vpFREE] Re: XVP --- Legal Questions Sought

 

At the risk of beating a dead horse this question is about the device law, specifically about the "gaining an advantage" clause. Let's say I had software that if used every hand would play 9-6 Jacks or Better at 99.5%. I can play 9-6 Jacks perfectly. What advantage did I gain? By using the device I actually lose over not using the devise. I certainly do not have an advantage over the casino using this software (I am at a 1/2% disadvantage). This also brings up an interesting point - it might be legal for me to use this devise but illegal for a poor player (one that plays 9-6 jacks at less than 99.5%). I lose over what I would play without the device but the poor player gains by using the devise. This seems totally absurd to me. Also would it be legal for me to use approx. software that plays 10-7 Double Bonus at 100.1%? I can play 10-7 DB at over 100.1% so I lose by using the software over not using it. As far as "gaining" an advantage I could reply "I did not gain an advantage, I already had the advantage without the devise, in fact an even greater advantage".

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[vpFREE] Re: Multi Shot Video Poker

 

From: "tringlomane@yahoo.com [vpFREE]" 

> Did other paytables look shorted? 

Yes, but I didn't look at all denominations for all games at Gold Coast. I also saw some of these in the Suncoast high limit room. I didn't scrutinize the paytables since they are touchy about video poker players especially in high limits there.

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[vpFREE] Majestic Star 2 - $100 per point machines moved.

 

On the Majestic Star 2, the six machines $100/point (three 2/c/50c/$1 and three 25c only) that were in the right rear have been moved to the middle of the vp room between the "All Star" games and the $50/point video poker (and keno). No games have been changed on these machines. Database has been updated.

Howard W. Stern
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Majestic Star (IN) and Rivers (IL)

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RE: [vpFREE] Re: XVP --- Legal Questions Sought

 


Can the Casino not pay out the full advertized payout on a Table Game when a player is betting the minimum bet?

Would the answer change if they allowed you to bet $1 to $25 on the Side Bet  VS. The casino required you to bet a minimum of $5.00 on the Bad Beat Side Bet?

(I'm sure this has come up on other table games before too, where the casino tried to duck liability based on an aggregate payout per hand.  i.e. Pai Gow, Mississipi Stud)  I've seen some Aggregate Payouts per Table, and others Per Player on and individual hand.


this one may or may not make the cut. Whether it does or doesn't, I thank each of the people who have submitted possible questions.



My personal opinion is that so long as there is a clear sign posted limiting the payout to $xxxxx, the casino can enforce that limit.


Many tables have different minimums and maximums at various times. At really slow times it might be possible to bet $1 or $2 on these side bets. At really busy times, there could conceivably be a $10 or bigger minimum. A sign stating the maximum payout would presumably be a constant fixture whatever the table minimum is.


I'm making up these numbers, but such a sign could easily change the return on the side bet from, say, a  6% house edge to 6.4%. (obviously this varies by game, by side bet, and what the maximum payout limit is). These limits could well make a difference in whether a player made the bet --- or in some cases (not this one) how he played a particular hand.



Anyway, that's just my two cents. Richard and I are voting on which questions to ask in which order. And the lawyers will be given a head's up on the questions so their answers don't have to be "off the cuff" and they will have the right to veto any question.



Although we have "enough" questions, there is always room for more good ones.

Bob
 

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[vpFREE] Re: XVP: Lion's Share hit

 

vpdeuces@yahoo.com wrote:

> I saw on ABC News last night that the Lion's Share slot machine at
> MGM finally hit for the top jackpot. No mention of whether the winners
> get to keep the actual machine as was rumored.

Here's the report in LV Sun:

http://www.lasvegassun.com/vegasdeluxe/2014/aug/23/after-20-years-lions-share-slot-machine-mgm-grand-/?utm_source=mostpopular&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=mostRead

or

http://tinyurl.com/py23oul

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[vpFREE] Vegas Values Report - 24 AUG 2014

 

Vegas Values Report - 24 AUG 2014

http://www.americancasinoguide.com/vegas-values/vegas-values-report-for-august-24-2014.html

or

http://tinyurl.com/nubzcxc

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[vpFREE] XVP: Lion's Share hit

 

I saw on ABC News last night that the Lion's Share slot machine at MGM finally hit for the top jackpot.  No mention of whether the winners get to keep the actual machine as was rumored.

Drew 

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