Re: [vpFREE] Re: Did Suncoast warn the players before 86ing them?

 

On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 8:37 PM, archiecoons <archiecoons@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I just don't believe players should step on or over the line and then
> complain about it when caught.

I agree with you, but that bears no resemblance to what happened here.

Suncoast printed coupons in an insert that went out in the Las Vegas
Review-Journal. Note that the LVRJ claims a circulation of 167,000
thousand: http://www.lvrj.com/about/work.html

And not just one coupon, five coupons, one good each week in March.

The coupon says "Present this coupon to the B Connected Club at the
Suncoast Hotel & Casino prior to playing and earn 10X Points on Slot or
Vidoe Poker play for one day." Nowhere on the coupon does it say "...
but please don't play certain games" or "... but please don't play more
than X number of base points."

The players who were barred had presented the coupon, and then played
video poker. Please explain how that constitutes stepping on or over
any line?

> I would probably never get involved in such a promotion because I only
> make around 4 trips a year to Las V, and truthfully, I've never really
> even heard of the SunCoast. Where exactly is it?

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=suncoast

> Instead of all this assuming, suppositions, guessing, and the
> unnamed/unknown reliable source claim,

You're the one repeatedly insinuating that the players involved did
something unethical or immoral. What's your source for this accusation?

It is certainly every individual's right to choose whether they wish to
give more credence to a report from a longtime widely-known member of
the video poker community or someone who created his Yahoo profile 24
hours ago.

> why doesn't someone just go over and ask so we might be afforded at
> least some kind of information right from the horse?

Casinos don't usually seem too forthcoming with this sort of information,
but if you want to try, feel free to get the phone number from their
web site and report back to us.

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[vpFREE] Re: Did Suncoast warn the players before 86ing them?

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "archiecoons" <archiecoons@...> wrote:
>
> I just don't believe players should step on or over the line and >then complain about it when caught.
>
>
What line was crossed by the players? Suncoast made a public offer through the LVRJ. Players took the Suncoast up on the offer. There were no restrictions on the offer. Suncoast refused to honor the offer that THEY made. And added insult to injury by barring players.

What were the players caught doing? Taking the Suncoast up on their offer? If you don't want me to take you up on an offer like that then don't make the offer.

>
> Jean S. says there's a reliable source that told her something, >then she won't say who or what that was, and then you say SHE is a >reliable source. Maybe so, but she is not the one in this instance. >I guess anybody can claim as much on anything. But actually knowing >the source would make a questionable claim more credible, don't you >think?
>
>
Jean has been around for a long time. She's high profile in the video poker world. She's always been a player's advocate. Those of us with the knowledge and experience trust in her integrity. It's obvious she doesn't have permission to divulge the persons name. Divulging the persons name could make he/she a target. You are either a neophyte in the gambling world, or--

Archie-if that's your REAL name-you definitely have the mindset that playing a legal edge is cheating. Don't know where the Suncoast is, huh? Need to know the name of the person Jean quoted, eh? Where in the casino industry do you work, Archie?

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[vpFREE] Re: new Caesars (Harrah's)7* benefits

 

We got both of ours a week ago.
Dave

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@...> wrote:
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> <<I had to laugh as once again Caesar's spent a lot of money on printing
> up an overdone booklet announcing its new 7 Star benefits for 2011>>
>
> Neither Brad nor I have received the booklet with this information. Are
> there any other 7*'s who have not received it?
> ________________
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> http://queenofcomps.com/
> You can read my blog at
> http://jscott.lvablog.com/
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[vpFREE] Re: Did Suncoast warn the players before 86ing them?

 

Tom that's a good question. I noticed there's over 10,000 members here and I'll bet we have a good representation from the Las Vegas area. Instead of all this assuming, suppositions, guessing, and the unnamed/unknown reliable source claim, why doesn't someone just go over and ask so we might be afforded at least some kind of information right from the horse?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Tom Robertson <007@...> wrote:
If the Suncoast wanted to limit or restrict the use of their coupons, why didn't they?

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Did Suncoast warn the players before 86ing them?

 

On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 8:37 PM, archiecoons <archiecoons@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Jean S. says there's a reliable source that told her something, then she won't say who or what that was, and then you say SHE is a reliable source. Maybe so, but she is not the one in this instance. I guess anybody can claim as much on anything. But actually knowing the source would make a questionable claim more credible, don't you think?

given the behavior we're seeing from suncoast towards people they
believe are undesirable customers, you should find it understandable
why people are reluctant to stand up and identify themselves to the
public (including other casinos) as someone who suncoast thinks is an
undesirable customer.

if there were something tangible to be gained, like a complaint to
Gaming that might produce results, i expect people would be willing to
step up. (tom robertson has already done so with his lawsuit against
suncoast on a separate but related issue.) but being slightly more
persuasive to "archiecoons" on a message board is not a substantial
gain.

i believe the secondhand stories with similar details that we're
hearing from players (via several long-term posters, including jean
scott) are already more credible than the statement we're getting from
boyd. you're free to disagree, but "you haven't identified the source"
isn't a reasonable basis for that disagreement.

best wishes,

five

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Did Suncoast warn the players before 86ing them?

 

I mostly agree with you that "players shouldn't step on or over the line and then complain about it when caught," but you have no reason to believe that anyone did this at the Suncoast. "Trying to cover their tracks with lies" is a great description for what they did with me in a different situation. The reliability of Jean's source doesn't matter very much when so many people say the same thing. If the Suncoast wanted to limit or restrict the use of their coupons, why didn't they?

----- archiecoons <archiecoons@yahoo.com> wrote:


>No I'm just a regular Joe type of player, and I'm chiming in because this is a board of discussions which is why I just joined, and I just don't believe players should step on or over the line and then complain about it when caught.

>

> Jean S. says there's a reliable source that told her something, then she won't say who or what that was, and then you say SHE is a reliable source. Maybe so, but she is not the one in this instance. I guess anybody can claim as much on anything. But actually knowing the source would make a questionable claim more credible, don't you think?

>

> I would probably never get involved in such a promotion because I only make around 4 trips a year to Las V, and truthfully, I've never really even heard of the SunCoast. Where exactly is it?

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[vpFREE] Re: Did Suncoast warn the players before 86ing them?

 

No I'm just a regular Joe type of player, and I'm chiming in because this is a board of discussions which is why I just joined, and I just don't believe players should step on or over the line and then complain about it when caught.

Jean S. says there's a reliable source that told her something, then she won't say who or what that was, and then you say SHE is a reliable source. Maybe so, but she is not the one in this instance. I guess anybody can claim as much on anything. But actually knowing the source would make a questionable claim more credible, don't you think?

I would probably never get involved in such a promotion because I only make around 4 trips a year to Las V, and truthfully, I've never really even heard of the SunCoast. Where exactly is it?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "archiecoons" <archiecoons@> wrote:
> >
> > May we have the reliable source?
> >
> > I say this because on more than a dozen occasions I've read people >say they tried to slip this or that by the boothlings or whoever, and >sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't. I don't think a warning >would stop most such people.
> >
> >
> Jean Scott IS a reliable source. Archie, I apologize for accusing you of working the system, i.e., being an advantage player. I don't know what your iron in this fire is. What's happened at Suncoast won't hurt you a bit. It's just going to make lots of elbow room for you to play your 97% machines.
>
> On the 10/10/10 promotion they started throwing players out 2 hours into it. I don't know about you but I have never been able to "pound" a play in just two hours. They think they have a great gimmick....Put out a 10X then immediately throw out the stronger players while keeping the suckers around. The whole thing is obviously premeditated.
>
> It's starting to get media attention and now they are trying to cover their tracks with lies. We've all seen this movie before. Trust me, none of the 86'd players had been warned. The high caliber, and very experienced, players involved are too smart to go in after a warning. Even the less intelligent know about eyes in the skies, and computer triggers.
>
> What about the guy in the one post that was told to stop playing for the day. Later he called the slot club to find out what the problem was. The slot club person told him he had been 86'd. Think about it. What if he hadn't made that phone call? What if he innocently went back to Suncoast on a later date. What do you think would have happened to him? He would have been arrested for trespassing.
>
> Here's a surefire way to expose the Suncoast. Send in someone who has never had a card there. They should go on Wednesday, 10X day. They should go get a slot card, then hand them the 10X coupon. Then go sit on the $5 Bonus Deluxe.
>
> I can hear it now....
>
> "What do you mean I've been 86'd? What do you mean you mean I've been warned, I've never been here before!"
>

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Re: [vpFREE] Did Suncoast warn the players before 86ing them?

 

On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 2:27 PM, bobbartop <bobbartop@yahoo.com> wrote:
> According to today's Stiffs & Georges, he quotes Boyd as saying that the players who were 86ed for using the 10X coupons had been previously warned not to use multipliers in that manner.

this doesn't pass the sniff test. maybe we could believe that one or
two people received warnings and then were dumb enough to show up and
try the exact same thing, but surely not the flood of stories we're
seeing.

it also doesn't match the experience of the one person i know who was
86'd on a coupon day, who had never before been warned about anything
at suncoast.

best wishes,

five

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[vpFREE] LVRJ: Gaming Control Board tentatively OKs financier's purchase of Riviera

 

LVRJ: Gaming Control Board tentatively OKs financier's purchase of Riviera

http://www.lvrj.com/business/gaming-control-board-tentatively-oks-financier-s-purchase-of-riviera-117704548.html

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[vpFREE] Re: Did Suncoast warn the players before 86ing them?

 


--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "archiecoons" <archiecoons@...> wrote:
>
> May we have the reliable source?
>
> I say this because on more than a dozen occasions I've read people >say they tried to slip this or that by the boothlings or whoever, and >sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't. I don't think a warning >would stop most such people.
>
>
Jean Scott IS a reliable source. Archie, I apologize for accusing you of working the system, i.e., being an advantage player. I don't know what your iron in this fire is. What's happened at Suncoast won't hurt you a bit. It's just going to make lots of elbow room for you to play your 97% machines.

On the 10/10/10 promotion they started throwing players out 2 hours into it. I don't know about you but I have never been able to "pound" a play in just two hours. They think they have a great gimmick....Put out a 10X then immediately throw out the stronger players while keeping the suckers around. The whole thing is obviously premeditated.

It's starting to get media attention and now they are trying to cover their tracks with lies. We've all seen this movie before. Trust me, none of the 86'd players had been warned. The high caliber, and very experienced, players involved are too smart to go in after a warning. Even the less intelligent know about eyes in the skies, and computer triggers.

What about the guy in the one post that was told to stop playing for the day. Later he called the slot club to find out what the problem was. The slot club person told him he had been 86'd. Think about it. What if he hadn't made that phone call? What if he innocently went back to Suncoast on a later date. What do you think would have happened to him? He would have been arrested for trespassing.

Here's a surefire way to expose the Suncoast. Send in someone who has never had a card there. They should go on Wednesday, 10X day. They should go get a slot card, then hand them the 10X coupon. Then go sit on the $5 Bonus Deluxe.

I can hear it now....

"What do you mean I've been 86'd? What do you mean you mean I've been warned, I've never been here before!"

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[vpFREE] LVRJ: Report: TPG, Apollo poised to take control of Aliante Station

 

LVRJ: Report: TPG, Apollo poised to take control of Aliante Station

http://www.lvrj.com/business/report-tpg-apollo-poised-to-take-control-of-aliante-casino-117671613.html

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[vpFREE] Re: Did Suncoast warn the players before 86ing them?

 

Good response Your Majesty. Made me laugh :-)

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@...> wrote:
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> <<May we have the reliable source? >>
>
> No!
>
>
> ________________
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> http://queenofcomps.com/
> You can read my blog at
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[vpFREE] Re: Did Suncoast warn the players before 86ing them?

 

Good response Your Majesty. Made me laugh :-)

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@...> wrote:
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> <<May we have the reliable source? >>
>
> No!
>
>
> ________________
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> http://queenofcomps.com/
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