[vpFREE] Re: Nevada Gaming Abstract from Gaming Control Board

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Tom Robertson <007@...> wrote:
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> armchairpresident wrote:
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> >all comps are expensed at full value
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> I'm not sure about this.

Look at these numbers closely folks- this is not gaming win or loss- these numbers are full P&L (except taxes). In my opinion there is one word that explains the majority of these numbers- DEBT. Caesars has what- $18 or 20 billion in debt and MGM has $12 or $14 billion last time I looked (or something like that). Why is the balance of Clark County profitable? Because Stations' debt was wiped out through bankruptcy and they don't have the interest expense.

The locations where Gaming Revenue is 60% of Total Revenue- where the casino doesn't have to support a huge hotel built or bought with debt financing- are doing just fine.

Just my .02- Thanks, Lee.

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[vpFREE] Re: Lake Mead Casino

 

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> I don't know if this was posted, the Lake Mead Casino has closed.
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I was just wondering about this maybe three days ago because it was not listed anywhere on the Stations website. Well, that answers that. Thanks for the info.

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[vpFREE] Lake Mead Casino

 
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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Nevada Gaming Abstract from Gaming Control Board

 

armchairpresident wrote:

>all comps are expensed at full value

I'm not sure about this. It's possible that one department could be
made to look artificially profitable while another department looks
the opposite, but I doubt that a business as a whole which exaggerated
the cost of its comps would pass an audit.

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[vpFREE] Re: Hard Rock LV Downgrade

 

Over-reaction to a poor mgmt decision on the drawings et al.
Several $10 royals all at once caught suits attention.

Just disregard those quarters where there was a royal drought.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Vegasvpplayer wrote:
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> (3) $5, $10, $25 1 Play Slant Dragon Salon high limit room ($4 coin-in per pt.)
> 99.64% Bdlx 1-1-3-4-6-9-80-50-800 Bdlx (FP)
> 99.54% JoB 1-2-3-4-6-9-25-50-800 JoB (FP)
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> These machines have been removed from the casino floor per slot personnel. The $25 denomination had been removed from the machines some time ago.
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[vpFREE] Re: Nevada Gaming Abstract from Gaming Control Board

 

Exactly, I am sure that all comps are expensed at full value and what other expenses are they allowed to take in this industry that may seem unusual to anyone not an account in this industry? If these numbers reflect the real picture of these businesses then we would have executive management changes every 6 to 9 months at a lot of these companies followed by many more casinos going under. Since it doesn't seem like this is/has been the case and with the investment into construction and remodeling still proceeding, both suggest that more positive signs lurk below the surface of this financial snapshot.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" wrote:
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> The Abstract might well have you thinking the average casino manager is shouting "we lose money on each room, but we make up for it in volume!"
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> Still, never try to interpret an income statement without a sensible cash flow statement in hand as well.
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> There have been plenty of "loss" businesses that generate a steady cash stream, and conversely, plenty of "profitable" businesses that have bled cash profusely. Over time, both statements (P&L and cash flow) necessarily tie to each other, but non-cash entries to an income statement can largely distort the true health of a business.
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> In any case, when you consider the relatively recent construction spate in combination with the current economic downturn, is it any wonder that many casinos (particularly those on the Strip) are showing a loss presently?
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> - H.
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Barry Glazer wrote:
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> > Thanks for the second effort to get the link embedded - it really is an interesting article.
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> > Casinos overall losing money BEFORE taxes is really something to me! Add in the 7.8% in taxes and gambling fees on their gambling revenue, and you're left to conclude that they'll go out of business unless they offset all this with their non-gambling revenue. Question in my mind is, are they doing that?
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[vpFREE] Re: Nevada Gaming Abstract from Gaming Control Board

 

Does surprise me. I don't believe it. It's all smoke and mirrors. Creative accounting. Lot's of junk bond holders and greedy executives.
Vegas strip has net loss of ~$2 billion while Laughlin reports $3 million net profit. Maybe its different out in desert buzzard country?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" wrote:
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> The Abstract might well have you thinking the average casino manager is shouting "we lose money on each room, but we make up for it in volume!"
>
> Still, never try to interpret an income statement without a sensible cash flow statement in hand as well.
>
> There have been plenty of "loss" businesses that generate a steady cash stream, and conversely, plenty of "profitable" businesses that have bled cash profusely. Over time, both statements (P&L and cash flow) necessarily tie to each other, but non-cash entries to an income statement can largely distort the true health of a business.
>
> In any case, when you consider the relatively recent construction spate in combination with the current economic downturn, is it any wonder that many casinos (particularly those on the Strip) are showing a loss presently?
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> - H.
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Barry Glazer wrote:
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> > Thanks for the second effort to get the link embedded - it really is an interesting article.
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> > Casinos overall losing money BEFORE taxes is really something to me! Add in the 7.8% in taxes and gambling fees on their gambling revenue, and you're left to conclude that they'll go out of business unless they offset all this with their non-gambling revenue. Question in my mind is, are they doing that?
>

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[vpFREE] Hard Rock LV Downgrade

 


(3) $5, $10, $25 1 Play Slant Dragon Salon high limit room ($4 coin-in per pt.)
99.64% Bdlx 1-1-3-4-6-9-80-50-800 Bdlx (FP)
99.54% JoB 1-2-3-4-6-9-25-50-800 JoB (FP)

These machines have been removed from the casino floor per slot personnel. The $25 denomination had been removed from the machines some time ago.

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[vpFREE] Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 24 JAN 2013

 

Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 24 JAN 2013

"The New Tier System for Caesars Properties"

http://jscott.lvablog.com/?p=2633

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[vpFREE] Re: Palms - annoying screamers

 



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[vpFREE] Re: Palms, other annoyances and so on....

 



You might enjoy the boards at Las Vegas Advisor.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Pat. Mccauley" wrote:
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> I am interested in reading/hearing other people's feelings about all the aspects of their casino experiences.
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[vpFREE] Re: Palms - annoying screamers

 
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[vpFREE] Re: Nevada Gaming Abstract from Gaming Control Board

 

The Abstract might well have you thinking the average casino manager is shouting "we lose money on each room, but we make up for it in volume!"

Still, never try to interpret an income statement without a sensible cash flow statement in hand as well.

There have been plenty of "loss" businesses that generate a steady cash stream, and conversely, plenty of "profitable" businesses that have bled cash profusely. Over time, both statements (P&L and cash flow) necessarily tie to each other, but non-cash entries to an income statement can largely distort the true health of a business.

In any case, when you consider the relatively recent construction spate in combination with the current economic downturn, is it any wonder that many casinos (particularly those on the Strip) are showing a loss presently?

- H.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Barry Glazer wrote:
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> Thanks for the second effort to get the link embedded - it really is an interesting article.
>
> Casinos overall losing money BEFORE taxes is really something to me! Add in the 7.8% in taxes and gambling fees on their gambling revenue, and you're left to conclude that they'll go out of business unless they offset all this with their non-gambling revenue. Question in my mind is, are they doing that?

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