[vpFREE] Slot Machine Science

 

How casinos get you to spend more money. Interesting article.

Slot-machine science: How casinos get you to spend more money http://www.vox.com/2014/8/7/5976927/slot-machines-casinos-addiction-by-design

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Slot-machine science: How casinos get you to spend ... http://www.vox.com/2014/8/7/5976927/slot-machines-casinos-addiction-by-design Author Natasha Dow Schüll talks about the evolution of slot machines, exploring how and why they've become so addictive.



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[vpFREE] Re: The Dice Challenge

 


Respectfully disagree.

The double up is a discrete wager (although, admittedly, engaging in it is dependent upon a prior win). Adding it to play has no impact on the EV of that play.

For example, 10 plays of any vp game with or without double up activity has exactly the same EV. If the double up wager was other than an even bet, then its presence would impact play EV in the prior example.

But, truth is, I'm willing to have someone believe whatever they want on this subject. It's truly one of the most inconsequential debates in vp.

- H.


---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <mjperr82@...> wrote :

sometimes the simple things are hard to get, Its like trying to explain that the double up feature thats on on some VP machines is NOT an even odds bet, It subject to the return of the game you are playing since you have to play and win before you can use the feature. IE: In NSUD, 99.73 return is the overall return of the double up feature also. Since you have the disadvantage and no slot points are given why bother.

Took me long time to get into my head though lol. Never did it because of no comp points given.




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Re: [vpFREE] Re: The Dice Challenge

 

the return of the pay is subject to the return of the game , you are doubling your win , not your bet,

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[vpFREE] Re: The Dice Challenge

 

I think Barry nailed why some folks thing this is a 1 in 6 probability.


Taking Barry's example a little further, let's say you have 2 dice and roll one of the die until you get a 2. Then, you roll the second die. What is the probability that the second die will be a 2? Clearly, 1 in 6 times.


The challenge is to understand that the above situation is way, way different than the rules for the Dice Challenge. In the dice challenge, you roll both dice together and there are 3 different possible outcomes. Outcome 1 is neither die is a 2. Probability is 25/36. Outcome 2 is that both dice are a 2. Probability is 1/36. Outcome 3 is that exactly one die is a 2. Probability is 10/36. For this challenge, Outcome 1 is a don't care. Outcome 2 is the winning roll and Outcome 3 is the losing roll. From the subset of Outcome 2 and Outcome 3, you win 1 time in 11 rolls.


Interesting problem. You could further break down Outcome 3 into the individual cases when die A is the 2 vs when die B is the 2, but that might just confuse the issue.


In probability, when in doubt, enumerate. If Alan lists all the possible combinations ( expanding the Outcome1, 2 and 3 above) and counting winners and losers , he should see what the correct answer will be. If he doesn't want to do that fairly simple exercise, I don't think he will ever get it.


More importantly, how do I get in on this wager :).

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[vpFREE] Re: What Goes Around Spins Around Vegas Trip Report - May 2015

 

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