Re: [vpFREE] Re: Triple deck??

 

(Theoretically speaking) card Counting a 5 deck VP machine? OMG, I think I just got a headache thinking about it. Hah, you could hit a full house and a flush on the same hand!

It seems weird to say you can not know how many decks are in play, especially since I've never seen nor heard of (from a reputable source) a suited pair (i.e.: two 5 of diamonds) on the same hand.

Theoretically, if VP had more than 1 deck, but was programmed so that no suited pair could be shown in the same hand (even discarding an ace of spades then redrawing an ace of spades)......I'd have to think the game would have the same odds/return. For instance, a four card Royal draw has a 1/47 chance of connecting to a royal flush. With 2 decks in play, the chances would go to 2/94 (since there exist 5 cards that cannot be repeated, but 2 of each, i.e. 104-10=94).

So even IF there were multiple decks in a single line VP game, and assuming it's impossible to ever get a suited pair, then it wouldn't matter if it plays from 1 deck or 500 decks, as the odds would be the exact same.

As far as video BJ, some machines have 1 deck and others have 2 decks (not including the "big tit" machines). And it tells you how many decks are in the shoe when you hit HELP PAYS/RULES button. Of course, they *could* be lying about how many decks are in play, but again, if there exists a rule (in the software) that says no suited pair is possible, then the odds should be the exact same on two decks vs single deck, like it would be in VP.

Plus, that'd be an incredibly stupid thing to lie about.

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> C wrote: "An IT guy sat next to him at the bar and told him that it is impossible to tell if you are playing with a single deck, two or even three."
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> Somebody should make a 5 deck draw poker game, the excitement would be hands like five aces of spades. They could make the cutoff 2 decks or whatever like they do on those blackjack machines so card trackers can't get a useful edge.
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Re: [vpFREE] Re: An Old War Horse

 

That is a very interesting question you ask, NOTI. It deserves a full answer. It deserves a long story because....it is a long story. None of us are innocent in life. I can tell a very long story just off of your question, NOTI. But its St. Paddy's day and we are all drunk here today. Two Nevada casino hustler's in the out back? I know what happens when two big gambling egos get there selfs isolated isolate with theirselves in Montana. Its not a happy ending story. Two bulls in a china closet.

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: An Old War Horse

 

Mickey wrote: "If you are thinking about trying to find my play then you only have 147,000 square miles to cover."

I wouldn't want to cut into any of your action but it makes me ponder the question. Is there enough action up there for more than one sheep shearer?

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[vpFREE] Re: Triple deck??

 

C wrote: "An IT guy sat next to him at the bar and told him that it is impossible to tell if you are playing with a single deck, two or even three."

Somebody should make a 5 deck draw poker game, the excitement would be hands like five aces of spades. They could make the cutoff 2 decks or whatever like they do on those blackjack machines so card trackers can't get a useful edge.

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Re: [vpFREE] Triple deck??

 

The one lingering point I don't think Bob addressed:

On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Caesarmalone caesarmalone@yahoo.com [vpFREE] wrote:
> told him that it is impossible to tell if you are playing with a single
> deck, two or even three.

If we are talking about single line video poker then this statement is
obviously false. If you were playing single line video poker dealt from
two decks, then you would see a hand with, for example, two aces of
spades, at some point.

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[vpFREE] Re: Westgate

 

Yes, Peter, pretty similar to my situation, though my offer was a one off. They reached their arm deep into that marketing drum going back a lot of years to pull my name out.

C

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Re: [vpFREE] Triple deck??

 


Welcome to the forum

Hitting eight royals at the Cosmo is not an indicator that someone is a good player. Generally speaking, good players avoid the Cosmo because the video poker games there are not being good.

Even if he was playing good games there some time in the past, the number of royals someone hits is largely a function of:

a. Blind luck --- most hands ending in a royal do not require a large amount of skill to play. On some hands, bad players will get royals while good players won't. For example, consider KQJ of one suit, another king, and a fifth card. In many games, it's correct to hold KK, where you cannot get the royal. If someone holds the suited KQJ anyway, one time in 1081 he'll connect.

b. How many hours they've played.

c. Number of lines you're playing. If you're playing single line games, it might take 500 hours on average to hit 8 royals. If you're playing Hundred Play, it's conceivable you'll hit eight or more royals over one weekend.

d. Generally speaking, good players do not play at a bar. Buttons are stickier, games are often worse, and people are always talking to you making concentration on the game more difficult. Still, you can get your drinks faster and to some folks this is important.

I'd need to know quite a bit more about this "IT guy" before I accepted he knew anything about video poker. If he was a programmer for IGT for the past 15 years, then yeah, he knows what he is talking about. If he's a data base administrator for an insurance company, he may or may not be knowledgeable.

Also, you don't say precisely, but it sounds like you weren't there when the conversation took place and are repeating what your husband told you about a conversation he had while at a bar. There could easily be nuances to what was said that got missed somewhere along the way.

Games in Nevada generally have one deck per line played. Triple Play games use three decks. Fifty Play games use 50 decks. The designer/manufacturer of the games select how the game is played, with how many decks, and casinos do not change this.

Despite what this IT guy may or may not have said at a bar.

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Subject: [vpFREE] Triple deck??

My husband is a good vp player. 8 royals at the Cosmo one year alone. However, last two years are pretty bad. An IT guy sat next to him at the bar and told him that it is impossible to tell if you are playing with a single deck, two or even three. If so, then the odds listed on the front screen are based on what? Can the casino change the number of decks however they want?

Sorry if this message has repeated itself as I am new to writing to this site.

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[vpFREE] Re: Westgate

 

The Elvis statue has moved into the building. It is in the lobby area.

- Mark



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Re: [vpFREE] No more Return Rewards @ Horseshoe Baltimore?

 

Emails don't always arrive. You can see if you have return rewards (but not
the amount) in your offers at the TR website. I also didn't get my most
recent email but the offer is there.

On Thursday, March 17, 2016, casinotravel@markanduss.com [vpFREE] <
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> I was wondering that, too. I played there are few weeks ago and didn't get
> any Return Rewards (although I played a mix of tables and VP, so while I
> got more than 75 TC, I may not have done that much on VP).
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[vpFREE] Dog Haus Vegas to Offer Free Hot Dogs and Give to Charity in Celebration of Grand Opening This Friday

 

DOG HAUS VEGAS TO OFFER FREE HOT DOGS AND GIVE TO CHARITY IN CELEBRATION OF
GRAND OPENING THIS FRIDAY

WHAT: Dog Haus Vegas, the newest addition to the
California-based Dog Haus concept known for its gourmet hot dogs, sausages,
burgers, and one-of-a-kind creations, will celebrate its grand opening by
offering free Haus dogs from 11 a.m. to 10 p.m. on Friday, March 18. In
addition, all drink proceeds from the day will benefit After-School
All-Stars Las Vegas.

Dog Haus Vegas will open for full business from 11 a.m. to 4 a.m. daily
beginning on Saturday, March 19.

WHEN: Friday, March 18

11 a.m. – 10 p.m.

WHERE: Dog Haus Vegas

4480 Paradise Rd.

Las Vegas, NV 89109

ABOUT DOG HAUS

Dog Haus is a craft casual hot dog concept known for its gourmet takes on
hot dogs, sausages and burgers; premium shakes and soft-serve ice cream; and
beer program that spotlights local brews. Founded by partners Hagop
Giragossian, Quasim Riaz and André Vener, three friends who share a passion
for creativity, quality and commitment to community, the first Dog Haus
opened in Pasadena, California in 2010. The fast casual concept has since
garnered critical acclaim and national attention for its signature all beef
skinless Haus Dogs, Haus Sausages and burgers made with a proprietary grind
of chuck and brisket on grilled Hawaiian rolls. Open for lunch and dinner
daily, guests can choose from signature, one-of-kind Haus creations or
customize their own from a selection of more than 30+ quality toppings. In
addition to its 14 franchise restaurants, Dog Haus currently operates two
company-owned locations in Pasadena with plans for more than 125 franchise
locations in Arizona, California, Colorado, Minnesota, Nevada, Ohio, Texas,
Utah, and Washington D.C. For more information visit <http://doghaus.com>
doghaus.com or find us on Facebook, Twitter or Instagram at DogHausDogs.

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[vpFREE] Triple deck??

 

My husband is a good vp player. 8 royals at the Cosmo one year alone. However, last two years are pretty bad. An IT guy sat next to him at the bar and told him that it is impossible to tell if you are playing with a single deck, two or even three. If so, then the odds listed on the front screen are based on what? Can the casino change the number of decks however they want?

Sorry if this message has repeated itself as I am new to writing to this site.

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[vpFREE] Re: Silver Sevens Bad Bad!

 

I think so. Bring back the Terribles brothers!

I was recently looking at one of my old Terribles magazines from several years back, oh those were the good old days.

Thanks for the bad news report. :-)


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[vpFREE] Silver Sevens Bad Bad!

 

Stopped by Silver Sevens yesterday for the first time in a while. Nothing good to report.

Video poker now requires $2 to earn 1 point so rate is now halved for FP / comp/ promotions when playing video poker. A quick look at the website makes it look like this is the case for other sites using the A Play card like the Primm casinos.

Also no multiplier days at all for March. This includes elimination of the 5X points for seniors on your first 1000 points on Wednesdays. Ouch!

I lost track. Is Michael Gaughn's son still the head guy there?

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