Re: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LVA Column - 19 JAN 2016

 

NOTI wrote: I'm thinking if it's an advanced class you should teach max-non-royal strategy

Think again because that is absolutely NOT the way the class will be taught. The class will be MAX EV.

The NSU strategy he presented gives up half a percent. Professional players for stakes higher than quarters generally have less than half a percent advantage while playing MAX EV. Playing a strategy where the house has the edge is against my religion. NOTI's strategies are more for non-playing theoreticians. My strategies are more for actual players.

Bob

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LVA Column - 19 JAN 2016

 

There are costs to hitting jackpots, but I find it hard to believe
that these costs generally even come close to the amount of the
jackpot. Setting the royal flush to 0 already costs .5% overall.
That's way too expensive and will often make the difference of whether
it's playable at all. It's better to hit jackpots and get kicked out.
From my experience, the correlation between hitting jackpots and
getting kicked out is being greatly exaggerated. It's as if a casino
is so trigger happy that one jackpot will get you barred for life, but
if you otherwise play as a professional but get unlucky, they'll love
you. That's extreme.

>It's not clear to me that simply assigning zero to the royal flush is
>sufficient to determine optimal strategy. You really ought to assign a
>negative value to the RF, specifically its nominal value minus the net
>present value of all future expectation times the chance of your getting
>kicked out by hitting this royal. Setting it to zero is very lazy thinking.
>
>Cogno

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RE: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LVA Column - 19 JAN 2016

 

It's not clear to me that simply assigning zero to the royal flush is
sufficient to determine optimal strategy. You really ought to assign a
negative value to the RF, specifically its nominal value minus the net
present value of all future expectation times the chance of your getting
kicked out by hitting this royal. Setting it to zero is very lazy thinking.

Cogno

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Vegasvpplayer asked: "Just curious, what does a max-non-Royal strategy for
NSUD look like"

5FL>4RF>5ST
4FL>3RF>2P
4STi>JTs>T876o

average return = 0.992%
variance = 20.6
average royal cycle = 66,598

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[vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LVA Column - 19 JAN 2016

 

Let me guess, Bob will suggest that you can teach that at your classes.

Do you guys know each other in real life or this is an online 'bromance'?

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LVA Column - 12 JAN 2016

 



-----Original Message-----
From: Albert Pearson
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LVA Column - 12 JAN 2016

>>While I don't disagree with the article, I don't see anything there that
>>adds anything
>>new to the general knowledge base for video poker players.<<

I'm loafing today, so had time to read all responses to this article and
surprised that no one
has commented on the most obvious item in it to me. From the article, the
following line in point a.:
---The difference between receiving nine credits per coin for a flush
compared to eight per coin is
worth $30 an hour or so if you're a single-line dollar player.----

I don't know of any game that offers a 9 for 1 return on flushes. I can come
close to it with the
8 for 1 on the now basically defunct full pay All American. Are we sure
that Bob wasn't thinking
of a full house payoff instead of a flush?

>>What makes you say that this is a great column?
Regards
A.P.<<

No, but many recreational players may need to be reminded of what some of us
chronic players may know like the backs of our hands. However, if the 9 for
1 flush
payoff is true, not only would I consider the article a great one, I would
certainly
be constantly moist with anticipation in two bodily orifices hoping for more
information on such a game.
Nudge

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LVA Column - 19 JAN 2016

 

Oops, get rid of that percent sign:

average return = 0.992
variance = 20.6
average royal cycle = 66,598

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LVA Column - 19 JAN 2016

 

Vegasvpplayer asked: "Just curious, what does a max-non-Royal strategy for NSUD look like"

5FL>4RF>5ST
4FL>3RF>2P
4STi>JTs>T876o

average return = 0.992%
variance = 20.6
average royal cycle = 66,598

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LVA Column - 19 JAN 2016

 

I don't think management cares if you hit wild royals. Knock yourself out.


---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <vegasvpplayer@...> wrote :

Just curious, what does a max-non-Royal strategy for NSUD look like and what is the corresponding EV. I think it would be difficult since you go for Wild RF so often.




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[vpFREE] Re: 99.16% DDB-S3P (Red Rock)

 

From: lizurdlips@yahoo.com

> The game is also at the Suncoast at .25 cent 9/6 version (no .25 9/6 at Red Rock).
> Not sure if 10 play version is available or anything higher than .50 cents.
> Will have to check.

I spotted two banks of 25c, 50c and $1 3/5 play Super Triple Play at the Suncoast but the DDB on both was 9/5 not 9/6.

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LVA Column - 19 JAN 2016

 

Just curious, what does a max-non-Royal strategy for NSUD look like and what is the corresponding EV. I think it would be difficult since you go for Wild RF so often.

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> Max-non-royal strategy is the more optimal strategy in most Nevada and California casinos today.
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[vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LVA Column - 19 JAN 2016

 

I'm thinking if it's an advanced class you should teach max-non-royal strategy as well which means:

HP>4RF>4FL
3SFo (includes i+1H and di+2H) >3RF>AKQJo>QJs>4STi3H>2RF2H
only hold the high card in JTs, QTs, KTs, ATs

Max-non-royal strategy is the more optimal strategy in most Nevada and California casinos today.

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[vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LVA Column - 19 JAN 2016

 

Bob Dancer's LVA Column - 19 JAN 2016

Teaching Advanced 8/5 Bonus

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[vpFREE] Scot Krause's Slot Club Spotlight - 19 JAN 2016

 

Scot Krause's Slot Club Spotlight - 19 JAN 2016

Gold Strike transitions to Road House Casino

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[vpFREE] Scot Krause's Reel Deals - 19 JAN 2016

 

Scot Krause's Reel Deals - 19 JAN 2016

Station Casinos Pyramid could lead to a million points

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