> My contact confirmed today that the ATM promotion is still in effect.
I played it Saturday, 4/6/2013
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> that most will play until they lose it--and probably more--anyway
Project much?
I'm perfectly capable of walking into a place like the El Cortez, quickly
playing this promotion, and leaving for greener pastures.
Just because you're not doesn't mean everyone else is as fallible as you are.
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> Put $1500 though on 8-5
> bonus poker, (is that the best
> availible game there?). Repeat next month.
That's how I plan to play it (if convenient.)
No, 8/5 BP is not the best game they offer, but I'm pretty sure all the
better pay tables earn 1 point for $3 coin in ($4500 coin in to take
advantage). I welcome advice toward a better play than 8/5 BP.
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> I think so, when compared to zero fee when you get your cash from a bank
> teller prior to going to a casino. And typically, players who use casino
> ATM's once do so regularly--and multiple times per visit. The fees add up.
>
I'm with you 100%. In fact I have a standing order to myself to never use
casino ATMs. But in this case I will make an exception since it's
obviously a positive play.
Not enough to go downtown just for it, but if I happen to be going down
anyway, I'll put $1000 of my stake into the bank just so I can withdraw it
at the El Cortez and get paid ~$35 for the effort.
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My contact confirmed today that the ATM promotion is still in effect.
Regards,
Scot
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpFREE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Steve Norden
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 12:40 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: El Cortez ATM Promotion
here is what i would do rob. if el cortez has a bank atm. open an account at
that bank for about $5000.
first time customers usually get good deals for about 3 months. make sure
your daily atm withdrawal
limit is at least $1000. go to el cortez and withdraw $1000 from your bank's
atm there. You should not
be charged an atm fee, using your bank's atm. Put $1500 though on 8-5 bonus
poker, (is that the best
availible game there?). Repeat next month.
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AMEN Miss Craps, a lesson to be learned by all...........
--- On Tue, 4/9/13, Misscraps <misscraps@aol.com> wrote:
From: Misscraps <misscraps@aol.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] I got scammed
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 9, 2013, 8:38 PM
What should be an obvious word of advice..... If any stranger comes up to you while you are gambling and offers to "help" you with anything (learn a new system for making money on Ultimate X for example) or sell you something (their wedding ring for example) or ask you for money, etc -- DON'T. And if someone or something distracts you like this or by telling you you have ketchup on your back or you dropped money or anything else, be on the alarm and watch your wallet or purse.
Scammers, pickpockets, etc love casinos. And similar advice should be obvious anywhere you are, anytime.
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What should be an obvious word of advice..... If any stranger comes up to you while you are gambling and offers to "help" you with anything (learn a new system for making money on Ultimate X for example) or sell you something (their wedding ring for example) or ask you for money, etc -- DON'T. And if someone or something distracts you like this or by telling you you have ketchup on your back or you dropped money or anything else, be on the alarm and watch your wallet or purse.
Scammers, pickpockets, etc love casinos. And similar advice should be obvious anywhere you are, anytime.
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100% condemnation and 0% logic doesn't make a good argument. You can see from my posts I don't think he did anything wrong. Calling him scum or my argument horrible doesn't support your case at all.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Steve Norden <Nordo123@...> wrote:
>
>
> a horrible rationalization, vpplayer88. a good gambler who finds multipliers on ultimate x did not cause
> the bad gambler to quit with an active multiplier. do you understand this 'scammer' LIED to the player
> with a promise of riches and had the player play with negative expectancy, and quit with postive expectancy.
> This 'scammer' and others like him are liers and the scum of the earth. it would not surprise me if he was
> also a cheater. i hope he burns in, well you know where.
>
>
>
>
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here is what i would do rob. if el cortez has a bank atm. open an account at that bank for about $5000.
first time customers usually get good deals for about 3 months. make sure your daily atm withdrawal
limit is at least $1000. go to el cortez and withdraw $1000 from your bank's atm there. You should not
be charged an atm fee, using your bank's atm. Put $1500 though on 8-5 bonus poker, (is that the best
availible game there?). Repeat next month.
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The $3.50 is on top of whatever your own institution charges for ATM withdrawals away from their bank ATM's, and I agree some banks refund all those fees monthly. The freeplay deal is also good for vacationers and others freewheelers. But to go to a low end place like the El Cortez just to get $50 in freeplay that most will play until they lose it--and probably more--anyway, is just another way of allowing the casinos to control the gamblers. It's a smart idea for the El Cortez though, it'll bring in more business and profits, and maybe they'll finally be able to put in a decent ventilation system.
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--- On Mon, 4/8/13, Scot Krause <krauseinvegas@cox.net> wrote:
this is a good deal for smart gamblers.
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a horrible rationalization, vpplayer88. a good gambler who finds multipliers on ultimate x did not cause
the bad gambler to quit with an active multiplier. do you understand this 'scammer' LIED to the player
with a promise of riches and had the player play with negative expectancy, and quit with postive expectancy.
This 'scammer' and others like him are liers and the scum of the earth. it would not surprise me if he was
also a cheater. i hope he burns in, well you know where.
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Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 9 APR 2013
"Casinos Have All The Advantages"
http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/bob_dancer/2013/0409.cfm
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The new Ultimate X hustlers may be a more sophisticated breed than the creators I was familiar with. The Ultimate X scam is just a variation of scams that have been run on unsuspecting tourist/ploppies ever since advantage slots first appeared. The perpetrators were generally low-life crackheads with a slash and burn mentality. Their desire to get high was so strong they didn't care about the future. Anything went. So their shelf life in any one casino was very short.
In Nevada Nick the Sick was the most legendary creator. But the last I heard, about 8 years ago, a judge had barred Nick from every casino in Nevada. Which tells me that he probably went to New Jersey or Mississippi after that.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpplayer88" <vpplayer88@...> wrote:
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> Yes if two things don't have the same consequences all the time, they aren't morally the same. So with uncertainty, killing a man with a 50 percent chance and 100 percent chance aren't the same. But killing a man with 100 percent chance and not doing something that would save his life with 100 percent chance are the same.
Very rarely do 2 separate actions have the same consequence all the time. Some of the time, sure. Most of the time, even but rarely all of the time.
> To the point about Africa, we should recognize that our actions are killing people rather than try to construct a moral code that makes our actions look good ex post. If morality condemns us, then so be it. It doesn't affect whether it is good morality or not.
>
Not sure which action you are referring to in the above. And not sure what 'good morality' is.
Back to your original example, you're still maintaining that causing a situation and not reacting to an existing situation are the same thing because they have the same result ( in this sample size of 1). So if 2 actions have the same result, they are equivalent? Looks like you're focusing on the result and not the action that causes the result. I can make a bad decision and it can have a good outcome. I can make a good decision and it can have a bad outcome.
If you think the 2 UX situations are the same, I wouldn't want you anywhere near me. And your statement that if you could steal money with immunity that you would, says a tremendous amount about your character. As long as I don't get caught, it is okay. Wow, you could be the former mayor of Detroit with that attitude.
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpplayer88" <vpplayer88@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes stealing a wallet and not returning a wallet both have the same effects, they are morally the same in my book.
> > >
> > > This is morality not criminality. It's a statement about whether something should be illegal, not whether it already is.
> > >
> > Agreed that criminal and moral are different.
> >
> > Back to your original comparison between throwing someone overboard and letting someone who is already in the water drown, here's another one.
> >
> > By your reasoning, letting people in famine starved Africa starve to death is the same as being in Africa and killing a family who would eventually starve? Those 2 are morally the same? So, morally, by you not sending all your money to charities that feed the poor, you are morally the same as someone who kills people who are starving?
> >
> > I don't see how your moral equivalence makes any sense. If your reasoning is that they both have the same result, I don't agree. In this example the people will PROBABLY starve to death but if you kill them, they will definitely starve to death. In one you CAUSE their death and in the OTHER you don't do anything to PREVENT their death. Don't see how those are the same.
> >
>
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