From: mklpryy24
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: $2,478.25 royal on .25 progresives!!!!!!!!!!
>payback was 100.4104 per vp genuis
>M J
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You have an error somewhere. On 20-12-10 ugly ducks, the 97.58% version, a
$2,478.25 royal, which is 9,913 coins, the return is 100.5762%.
Nudge
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Install windows on your mac via boot camp or parallels. Then install
winpoker. Restart and run mac and windows. winpoker will only operate on the windows partition.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, BANDSTAND54@... wrote:
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> I had WinPoker installed on my PC. I bought a MacBook Pro. I was told by ZamZone who sold me the program they cannnot install it on Mac because it is not designed for that. WinPoker means Windows Poker not Win at Poker according to them. I know it is possible to install Window programs on Mac because I have done research on it. My question is has anyone installed WinPoker on their Mac or are they using something compatible for their MacBook?
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> Ralph Gary
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I had WinPoker installed on my PC. I bought a MacBook Pro. I was told by ZamZone who sold me the program they cannnot install it on Mac because it is not designed for that. WinPoker means Windows Poker not Win at Poker according to them. I know it is possible to install Window programs on Mac because I have done research on it. My question is has anyone installed WinPoker on their Mac or are they using something compatible for their MacBook?
Ralph Gary
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mklpryy24" <mklpryy24@...> wrote:
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> payback was 100.4104 per vp genuis
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> M J
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Congrats on your jackpot. I sent you a personal email. Please check your inbox and reply when you can. Thanks.
payback was 100.4104 per vp genuis
M J
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mklpryy24" <mklpryy24@...> wrote:
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> got your attention??
>
> hit royal this morning at native casino on a 97.58 deuces wild progressive , dont know exact payback but 140% increase in royal plus .50 cb ( double points) made it playable , saw it get hit at 1100 3 weeks ago, must not been hit since, YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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> I was goin to play the pick-em on mon as usual , my wife to play the ducks when she call me over to show me the royal.
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> We fast decided to take our shot with daily bankroll, play until we win it, lose it all , someone else hits it or fall asleep was goin to be the outcome for this trip today.
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> Trying to figure out changes on the fly, A-10 suited plays, 2 to royal much stronger play than normal , close on tossin 1 deuce wild royal, K Q J for sure, was playin at max speed and any doubt i had i went for the royal figuring increasing hands per hour played was important enuf to justify small increase in error rate.
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> Yes, you all know what happen , was dealt 4 to the royal in hearts and i drew the queen, no changes needed to make that choice. LOL
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> Brought it plus $600 more home. been going good lately, but no worry as i am sure it will change ; )
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> Strangest thing: me and my wife were was the only ones playing at 9am on the bank.
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> M J
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Thanks , my mistake,
M J
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "AK-SAR-BEN" <tomskilv@...> wrote:
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> You failed to take into account strategy. With 3 to royal, Ace hi, you would choose hi pair over 3 to royal. ie. If dealt AsKs Kh Qs you would choose Kh. Thus royal cycle is longer than 342,870. It is 351,817.7. TomSki
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Don Del Grande" <don.delgrande@> wrote:
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> > I get 1 in 342,870.
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> > There are 52 x 51 x 50 x 49 x 48 x 47 x 46 x 45 permutations for the eight cards in a specific order (say, up1, up2, up3a, down1a, down2a, up3b, down1b, down2b).
> > To get a royal, both of the "common" up cards have to be 2 to the same royal; there are 20 possibilities for the first card, and, for each of these, four for the second card.
> > If the other three cards in the royal are in "group A", it's 3 choices for the up card, 2 for the "first" down card, and 1 for the "second" down card - and, for each of these, 47 x 46 x 45 for the three "group B" cards. Since "group B" is symmetrical to group A, multiply this by 2.
> >
> > Thus, there are 20 x 4 x (2 x (3 x 2 x 1 x 47 x 46 x 45)) different ways to get a RF in Pick'em.
> >
> > Divide this by the number of permutations = 1/342,870.
> >
> > -- Don
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> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "AK-SAR-BEN" <tomskilv@> wrote:
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> > > Not sure where you got the misquote from me for 90k royal cycle. But that is not correct. The exact cycle length per my caculations is 351,817.7 hands. TomSki
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> > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mklpryy24" <mklpryy24@> wrote:
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bobbartop" <bobbartop@> wrote:
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> > > > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mklpryy24" <mklpryy24@> wrote:
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> > > > > > Hit royal on a pick-em poker game 2 mondays ago, a 1 in a 90k shot.
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> > > > > Royals come around about every 350,000 in fp pickem. Once you're looking at three parts to it, it's just another 2-card draw. Easy peasy.
> > > > >
> > > > per tomSki royal flush cycle is 90k+
> > > >
> > > > MJ
> > > >
> > >
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got your attention??
hit royal this morning at native casino on a 97.58 deuces wild progressive , dont know exact payback but 140% increase in royal plus .50 cb ( double points) made it playable , saw it get hit at 1100 3 weeks ago, must not been hit since, YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was goin to play the pick-em on mon as usual , my wife to play the ducks when she call me over to show me the royal.
We fast decided to take our shot with daily bankroll, play until we win it, lose it all , someone else hits it or fall asleep was goin to be the outcome for this trip today.
Trying to figure out changes on the fly, A-10 suited plays, 2 to royal much stronger play than normal , close on tossin 1 deuce wild royal, K Q J for sure, was playin at max speed and any doubt i had i went for the royal figuring increasing hands per hour played was important enuf to justify small increase in error rate.
Yes, you all know what happen , was dealt 4 to the royal in hearts and i drew the queen, no changes needed to make that choice. LOL
Brought it plus $600 more home. been going good lately, but no worry as i am sure it will change ; )
Strangest thing: me and my wife were was the only ones playing at 9am on the bank.
M J
I love your stories, Mickey, but sometimes their accuracy sucks. That play, unless it got up again when you said it did, which is extremely unlikely because I played it a lot after the time it got way up, was in the summer and fall of 2000. I played it heavily, including on election night. It (or, more accurately, "they," since there were 2 meters, which, after going months without either of them hitting, both got hit on the same day, the first for $83,000 and change by the person you described early in the morning, and the second, the backup meter, for $69,000 and change, in the afternoon) got hit within a few weeks after that. There are some interesting, and expensive, strategy changes at those numbers, such as keeping 2 aces in sequence over a full house. The cycle with that strategy is around 260,000 hands. I was surprised at the lack of professional play, also. With the royal also progressive, it was frequently a 4% advantage and more. I later hit it for around $22,000, possibly around the time you described. Elliott Shapiro hit it in the first 4 cards dealt for around $46,000, probably a few years later. The Circus Circus still has a progressive bank, but the meter movement is tiny.
It was great to hear you on Frank's show last Thursday. I was expecting you to sound like a raving lunatic, so I was surprised at how normal you sounded!
----- mickeycrimm <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jason Pawloski <jpawloski@...> wrote:
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> > BTW - if my memory serves, you're more likely to get a royal than >an ACE$. Which is part of the reason why I was never a fan of this game.
> >
> >
> Besides the 4 A-C-E-S having to be in order, there can be no gap. Which means that the 4 A-C-E-S have to be in either the first four positions or the four last positions. There are 120 positions that 4 Aces can be in, 5X4X3X2X1 = 120. Only 2 positions will will yield the big payout. So the frequency for making 4 A-C-E-S, without strategy adjustments, is 5,106.325 X 60 = 306,379.5. With royal odds at 40,234.18, you'll make about 7.6 royals per 4 A-C-E-S.
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> And this reminds me of a Laughlin story. The Edgewater had a several machine bank of dollar 7/5 A-C-E-S Bonus Poker. There was a big fat meter on the 4 A-C-E-S, I don't remember exactly how strong it was, but it was really strong. In the spring of 2002, that meter got really high, above $80,000. But the play was way to big for my bankroll. I figured that the bank would get monopolized by a big bankrolled Vegas team but it never happened.
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> I remember discussing the play with a friend of mine, "Ray." Ray had come to Laughlin as a substitute school teacher, but wound up dealing blakjack at the Golden Nugget. And then he wound up getting quite an education in advantage play. And then he got a 6 figure inheritance. He was the biggest bankrolled player on the river that I knew. He was also wrapped up tight. No leaks.
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> Ray wound up cutting a deal with a friend/collaborator to do a $20,000 saver on the 7/5 A-C-E-S play. They were both busy on other plays on the river. So they decided to shoot at the play in their spare time, but they didn't necessarily have to be playing at the same time. They used the points on the card to verify to each other how many hands they each had run.
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> Ray's friend eventually hit the 4 A-C-E-S when the meter was up around $110,000.
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Subject: [vpFREE] Fiesta Henderson change
The bank of full pay around the tree is now penny slots. There is a new bank of full pay near the club with 10 machines. The machines only have 25/50/1 no 5 or 10 cent games. A second bank of 6 had been put near the players club a little while back.
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The bank of full pay around the tree is now penny slots. There is a new bank of full pay near the club with 10 machines. The machines only have 25/50/1 no 5 or 10 cent games. A second bank of 6 had been put near the players club a little while back.
I always wondered what the odds were. I figured they were high since in all my time playing VP Ive seen it hit only twice, once at 7-11 and once at Fiesta Henderson.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jason Pawloski <jpawloski@> wrote:
> >
> > BTW - if my memory serves, you're more likely to get a royal than >an ACE$. Which is part of the reason why I was never a fan of this game.
> >
> >
> Besides the 4 A-C-E-S having to be in order, there can be no gap. Which means that the 4 A-C-E-S have to be in either the first four positions or the four last positions. There are 120 positions that 4 Aces can be in, 5X4X3X2X1 = 120. Only 2 positions will will yield the big payout. So the frequency for making 4 A-C-E-S, without strategy adjustments, is 5,106.325 X 60 = 306,379.5. With royal odds at 40,234.18, you'll make about 7.6 royals per 4 A-C-E-S.
>
> And this reminds me of a Laughlin story. The Edgewater had a several machine bank of dollar 7/5 A-C-E-S Bonus Poker. There was a big fat meter on the 4 A-C-E-S, I don't remember exactly how strong it was, but it was really strong. In the spring of 2002, that meter got really high, above $80,000. But the play was way to big for my bankroll. I figured that the bank would get monopolized by a big bankrolled Vegas team but it never happened.
>
> I remember discussing the play with a friend of mine, "Ray." Ray had come to Laughlin as a substitute school teacher, but wound up dealing blakjack at the Golden Nugget. And then he wound up getting quite an education in advantage play. And then he got a 6 figure inheritance. He was the biggest bankrolled player on the river that I knew. He was also wrapped up tight. No leaks.
>
> Ray wound up cutting a deal with a friend/collaborator to do a $20,000 saver on the 7/5 A-C-E-S play. They were both busy on other plays on the river. So they decided to shoot at the play in their spare time, but they didn't necessarily have to be playing at the same time. They used the points on the card to verify to each other how many hands they each had run.
>
> Ray's friend eventually hit the 4 A-C-E-S when the meter was up around $110,000.
>
