[vpFREE] NOT XVP - CoachVee Book

 

CoachVee always admitted that they didn't play at the highest EV possible. He was always very open and truthful about their play. He knew the numbers as well as any of us but they chose to play what they liked best most of the time. I don't think he ever said he made money playing VP and he often reported about losing.. One main reason why their choice of sub-optimal VP probably didn't "cost" them as much as it might for others was that they used the comp system to the max better than any other player I have ever know – I always said that Hedy could "out-frugal" me any day of the week.

This goes back to what I always say – never judge someone else's play. We can't know anyone's total financial situation and whether they can "afford" to play like they do. We often don't know their goals. And we don't know the ends and outs of their playing choices – what extra benefits they are getting that don't "show" – how much free play they are getting, etc., etc.!

(This may be called a VP forum but we all discuss the general casino environment and all the things that affect our VP play, including problems we run into. That is why I feel the mention of this book is appropriate on this forum.)

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Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/

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CoachVee's trip reports were generally detailed accounts of his gambling sessions and travels. Now you've got my interest! Mickey Crimm wrote that CoachVee was very sneaky in extracting money from the casinos. It always went over my head. I never understood how you could make money playing horrible Double Double Bonus paytables at Harrah's properties. Does he really tell all in his book? Will these techniques still work in today's casino environment?

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> On Nov 14, 2014, at 5:45 AM, Jim Engstrom jimengstrom1@yahoo.com [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> I bought their book online and while I enjoyed reading it, I was very disappointed in the way they take advantage of situations through litigation and, in my opinion, other rather questionable means that border on being unethical.
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[vpFREE] Re: XVP - CoachVee & Hedy's book now in paperback

 

I know nothing of the book other that I get spam email directly to my email
account for the horse racing stuff. Not sure if it was data harvesting or
if the user list was provided directly to him, either way I am not really
appreciative of additional noise in my email.

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[vpFREE] Re: No Kickers Vegas Trip Report - Oct 2014

 

Day 2 which was pretty interesting:
Part 1 http://tinyurl.com/pgsz6ch
Part 2 http://tinyurl.com/naxmy5t

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: XVP - CoachVee

 

Think administration needs to do something about "eveyones "SPAMM!!!
On Nov 14, 2014 7:45 PM, "stungazed@hotmail.com [vpFREE]" <
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> Not Spam.Good info.CoachVee provides many contributions to this site.
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> I rarely post on this site but read the digest daily but I'm going to
> chime in here. In the last 6 months CoachVee has had a total of 13 posts on
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> 1 - Telling us about a promotion at Resorts Atlantic City
> 1 - Asking for host information at Harrah's Baltimore
> 1 - About Poker
> 2 - Promoting Belmont Stakes picks on his website and bragging about his
> great picks in the Preakness
> 8 - Promoting his book
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> I don't consider that being much of a contribution to the site. I now
> would consider his posts spam but, that's just my opinion.
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> In the past he did post trip reports frequently. I read every one of them
> when he would post them. Amazingly he always had great fortune in those
> trip reports but never posted a report where they lost. I found it rather
> odd since their game of choice is 9/6 DDB. I later found out from another
> member of this group (who shall remain nameless) that they were in AC
> almost every weekend but he only posted a report about once every month.
> Admittedly, Coach posted one time that he only wrote reports when he won. I
> forget the reason but it was something about not wanting to bring people
> down by writing about losing. Don't quote me on that though. I'm too lazy
> to dig through all vpFREE to find it. That's his choice and I accepted
> that. Lots of people only post winning trip reports not only here but on
> other message boards as well. While it's more of a contribution to the
> group than shamelessly over promoting a book, I find it a disservice when
> people only post winning trip reports and don't consider it much of a
> contribution at all. Again, this is my opinion.
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> I have no problem with anyone promoting their products but, when more than
> 3/4 of their posts in the last 6 months are self promotion, they aren't
> contributing to the group anymore.
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> With that said, there's also a frugal poster on this site that never
> misses a chance to promote their products or cull information from the
> group for profit but, no one seems to call this poster out as a spammer. If
> one person is going to get called out as a spammer, then all spammers
> should be called out. It's only fair!
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Re: [vpFREE] Re: XVP - CoachVee

 




---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <dlvseuss@...> wrote :

Not Spam.Good info.CoachVee provides many contributions to this site.

I rarely post on this site but read the digest daily but I'm going to chime in here. In the last 6 months CoachVee has had a total of 13 posts on vpFREE. They are as follows:

1 - Telling us about a promotion at Resorts Atlantic City
1 - Asking for host information at Harrah's Baltimore
1 - About Poker
2 - Promoting Belmont Stakes picks on his website and bragging about his great picks in the Preakness
8 - Promoting his book

I don't consider that being much of a contribution to the site. I now would consider his posts spam but, that's just my opinion.

In the past he did post trip reports frequently. I read every one of them when he would post them. Amazingly he always had great fortune in those trip reports but never posted a report where they lost. I found it rather odd since their game of choice is 9/6 DDB. I later found out from another member of this group (who shall remain nameless) that they were in AC almost every weekend but he only posted a report about once every month. Admittedly, Coach posted one time that he only wrote reports when he won. I forget the reason but it was something about not wanting to bring people down by writing about losing. Don't quote me on that though. I'm too lazy to dig through all vpFREE to find it. That's his choice and I accepted that. Lots of people only post winning trip reports not only here but on other message boards as well. While it's more of a contribution to the group than shamelessly over promoting a book, I find it a disservice when people only post winning trip reports and don't consider it much of a contribution at all. Again, this is my opinion.

I have no problem with anyone promoting their products but, when more than 3/4 of their posts in the last 6 months are self promotion, they aren't contributing to the group anymore.


With that said, there's also a frugal poster on this site that never misses a chance to promote their products or cull information from the group for profit but, no one seems to call this poster out as a spammer. If one person is going to get called out as a spammer, then all spammers should be called out. It's only fair!




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[vpFREE] Re: I just got my first dealt royal!

 

I've had four on the deal and two on the redraw.

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[vpFREE] Re: Do you play any of these VP games, or are they extinct?

 

Sevens wild were at Skyline.

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: XVP - CoachVee

 


Mickey Crimm...haven't heard his name in ages. He had some really interesting stories about gambling and video poker!

Don the Dentist

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[vpFREE] Re: XVP - CoachVee & Hedy's book now in paperback

 

I've been out-of-touch for a coupla days so just seeing this. I bought this online & read it rite after it came out. I was going to comment at the time, but let it go. Now I will. VERY disappointed in he book. Couch Vee made a comment shortly after introducing on this site & said he shudda included NOT VP in the title. The "Queen" then commented that he certainly did not have to say that. Well, about the only reference directly related to VP was that he learned many of his VP techniques from Jean Scott. I also have most of her books & this was about the only time I've been disappointed in her. I thought at the time I shuuda taken the advice from the book & demanded my money back(something like $5, I think)


I totally agree the point this is should not be continually be advertised on this VP site. My advice...Save your money & put it into a $5 slot.



I read most of Coach Vee's blogs & enjoy them, but very disappointed in their approach & more so that they try to make a buck this way. My thought after reading this a coupla months ago was that I'm glad I don't know them personally.


Now having let off this steam, I feel better, But Dammit, still waiting on that book by Mickey Crimm.


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Re: [vpFREE] Re: XVP - CoachVee

 

I guess you'd need to buy and read the book to revisit all of the details.
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My recollection is that one settlement was for $2,000 and free food for a number of months because she bit in to a toothpick and another was for $7,500 when Coach Vee spilled his coffee on her lap on an airplane and then they sued the airline because the coffee was too hot.



On Friday, November 14, 2014 3:19 PM, "nightoftheiguana2000@yahoo.com [vpFREE]" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


What was the Coach's biggest legal win?

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: XVP - CoachVee

 

What was the Coach's biggest legal win?

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On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:53 AM, dougalou@aol.com [vpFREE] <
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> Wondering where Mickey has been. Haven't seen a post from him in over a
> year. Is he still around?? or did I miss something about him??
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He pops up at http://wizardofvegas.com/forums/ occasionally.

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: XVP - CoachVee

 

." Now you've got my interest! Mickey Crimm wrote"

Wondering where Mickey has been. Haven't seen a post from him in over a
year. Is he still around?? or did I miss something about him??

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: XVP - CoachVee

 

I disagree with you. "CoachVee" makes many interesting post to this site.
He has earned the right to mention his book is available.

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 8:27 AM, Tim thetiminator@gmail.com [vpFREE] <
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> I read this list everyday and almost never post, but in my opinion this
> "CoachVee" postlooks like someone just trying to sell their book, I think
> it's called spam. Bad, bad, bad. I like reading gambling books but this
> kind of post turns me off.
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