RE: [vpFREE] Scot Krause's Real Deals - 2 JUL 2013

 

Back to LV Club now.

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A few years ago Las Vegas Club changed their name to Vegas Club. Did the new
company change it back or is that a typo?

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Re: [vpFREE] Scot Krause's Real Deals - 2 JUL 2013

 

A few years ago Las Vegas Club changed their name to Vegas Club. Did the new company change it back or is that a typo?

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> Scot Krause's Real Deals - 2 JUL 2013

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Revel

 

Once you lose, it's Revel's money. We all receive freeplay at many casinos, and that's not money until and unless a player has the discipline to stop playing with credits on the machine. Many can and many cannot.

As of ten minutes ago the promotion is still going on. The player I know hit a $1 royal last evening and is up $5100. (His stop-win point for this is $7800 and I don't know how he got it). But he's comfortable enough that he asked a slot club suit about this "innocent player" blacklist we keep hearing about. He figured if it were true, why bother playing anymore since if he ended up losing there'd be no freeplay in his future.

He was told there is no such list other than one that includes people caught trying to game the system, including people determined to be playing on "teams"--which is not allowed. That may well be where all the crying wolf is originating from....and I can see how an innocent player minding his or her own business could wrongly get tapped for that (with a bit of spin of course).

But a list of big-playing LV AP's? Not very likely, although I could loosely imagine a scenario where Ceasar's 7-Stars members made some kind of "watch" list there.

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From: "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Revel
Date: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 4:40 pm
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "richard d" <cdgnpc@...> wrote:

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> I think you said something about people being hurt not that you knew X,Y,and Z happened for sure cause someone on the other board posted it. I am sure a few non-involved people got tagged wrong either because looked funny at something, asked about something or sat too close to people that may have done something.

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Some people are of the mindset that the player is guilty until proven innocent and the house is innocent until proven guilty. And some people are of the mindset that the player is innocent until proven guilty and the house is guilty until proven innocent. I unashamedly fall into the second category.

I thought about this Revel promotion and what my game plan would be if I worked it. A nice little Amtrak ride to the east coast and check into a weekly hotel. I would have to play a high variance game and hope to get lucky. I would have to set a stop win and even a stop loss as I don't have $100,000 to loan the casino.

If I hit the stop win point then I would probably skedaddle back to the northwest taking the scenic route on Amtrak.

If I hit the stop loss then I would be stuck in Atlantic City for another 20 weeks or so. I would have to find something to do. I don't know what is available but it would probably be a combination of video poker, video keno progressives, any and all advantage slots available, and live poker.

But the one question I couldn't give a yes to was: If I lose do I trust Revel to do the right thing with my money. The answer is a big hell no.

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[vpFREE] Re: Revel

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
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> But the one question I couldn't give a yes to was: If I lose do I trust Revel to do the right thing with my money. The answer is a big hell no.
>

Yeah, I had to think long and hard about going. I really wanted to go, but just couldn't shake the feeling of how likely it would be to get screwed out of the rebate. There were just too many scenarios I came up with where things could go horribly wrong, and I wasnt even planning on cheating by exaggerating recorded losses.

It really does make me wonder how people who are dishonest enough to cheat on the promotion were also naive enough to assume the casino couldn't be just as underhanded as they are. The funny thing is usually those people are the ones that are most vocal about being wronged, when in fact all that happened was they got disqualified from a promotion in which they got caught violating the rules. It does suck for the people who were playing honestly and still got screwed out of the rebate, though. Some of the cheaters already got what they deserve, I hope the honest players eventually do too.

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[vpFREE] Re: Revel

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "richard d" <cdgnpc@...> wrote:
>
> I think you said something about people being hurt not that you knew X,Y,and Z happened for sure cause someone on the other board posted it. I am sure a few non-involved people got tagged wrong either because looked funny at something, asked about something or sat too close to people that may have done something.
>
>
>
Some people are of the mindset that the player is guilty until proven innocent and the house is innocent until proven guilty. And some people are of the mindset that the player is innocent until proven guilty and the house is guilty until proven innocent. I unashamedly fall into the second category.

I thought about this Revel promotion and what my game plan would be if I worked it. A nice little Amtrak ride to the east coast and check into a weekly hotel. I would have to play a high variance game and hope to get lucky. I would have to set a stop win and even a stop loss as I don't have $100,000 to loan the casino.

If I hit the stop win point then I would probably skedaddle back to the northwest taking the scenic route on Amtrak.

If I hit the stop loss then I would be stuck in Atlantic City for another 20 weeks or so. I would have to find something to do. I don't know what is available but it would probably be a combination of video poker, video keno progressives, any and all advantage slots available, and live poker.

But the one question I couldn't give a yes to was: If I lose do I trust Revel to do the right thing with my money. The answer is a big hell no.

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[vpFREE] Re: Revel's Loss Rebate

 

Stop basking in you foresight.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
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> > >
> > > Slot operations better hope their cardreaders are foolproof.
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> The card manipulation has come to light. It's brilliant but simple. Play Ultimate X until you have multipliers of 4X or higher on every hand. Then pull the card and play the next hand. It creates false losses,
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[vpFREE] Re: Revel's Loss Rebate

 

> >
> > Slot operations better hope their cardreaders are foolproof.
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The card manipulation has come to light. It's brilliant but simple. Play Ultimate X until you have multipliers of 4X or higher on every hand. Then pull the card and play the next hand. It creates false losses,

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Re: [vpFREE] Another Revel analysis

 

>http://apheat.net/2013/07/04/revel-100-loss-rebate-promotion/#more-3629

The table that shows the results of his simulations is unrealistic,
since it assumes that the player will be willing to play at any
advantage. The best marginal win per hand (an example of which would
be the .12% that the extra .4 unit average win per the extra 325 hands
that increasing the desired win from 900 units to 920 units results
in) is .63% and that should be assumed to be an aberration. The real
marginal win per hand is much less, even at the top of his chart, and
it gradually declines from there. It should have started out with an
assumption about the minimum advantage that a normal player would want
when playing a $25 machine. If this is 1%, the optimal win point is
more like 500 units.

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[vpFREE] Another Revel analysis

 
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[vpFREE] Bill Burton Obituary

 
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[vpFREE] Re: 9/6 jacks or better Ultimate X poker

 

Yeah, the single line game on videopoker.com gives a multiplier one lower for a flush, and only 2X for quads or better. The entire multiplier table looks like this:

Quads or better: 2X
Full House: 12X
Flush: 10X
Straight: 7X
Three of a Kind: 4X
Two Pair: 3X
Jacks or Better: 2X

With these multipliers, 9/6 JoB - Ultimate X would return 99.64% with a single optimal strategy. If the game still currently exists, it's definitely listable for the database. The best I have seen for single line though is 8/6 (98.50% for single line).

Why they screw you over on multipliers so badly on single line, I really don't understand. Definitely misleading for someone who doesn't pay close attention (many Ultimate X players don't).

As for which strategy to use, 8/6 JoB for Ultimate X would be a decent start.

http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/ultimate-x/jacks-or-better/

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Mitchell Tsai <tsai@...> wrote:
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> I've played 9/6 JoB UX (Either the flush or straight was -1X lower than normal) and 8/5 Bonus UX (same -1X). Both single-line.
>
> NOTE: Before you play any UX game, double-check the multipliers & payouts on the info page.
> 1) Check the full house, flush, and straight multipliers (on 3-play, 5-play, 10-play).
> 2) Check straight flush to see if it pays 40 instead of 50.
> 3) Look for anything else weird (e.g. royal pays 250 instead of 800).
>
> Sometimes a place with 97% UX will have one full-pay UX game (e.g. Paris, Bally's, Rio had full-day Deuces UX .25/.50/1.00 for ~6 months before it was downgraded).
> Often the paytables are different at 3-play & 10-play, even on the same denomination...and some casinos are inconsistent between machines (like any other VP games...seek & you might find).
>
> Mitchell
>
> On Jul 4, 2013, at 3:20 AM, "Douglas V" <tringlomane@...>
> wrote:
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> > 9/6 JoB will never exist for Ultimate X because that
> would create a machine with greater than a 100% payback for
> 3/5/10 play.
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[vpFREE] Re: Tunica Roadhouse

 

I did notice the other games, however we usually try to stay with the lower variance Jacks and BP. 

The other problem is that you are constantly competing with the knowledgeable local players for the two machines that are left.

I liked it a lot better when there were a large number of machines with the games you saw plus 99.66% BP.

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[vpFREE] Re: Revel

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
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> I predict that more players will file complaints with New Jersey Gaming. The first story about Revel's tactics will be on uspoker.com tomorrow.

Nothing there as of 10:30 AM Eastern Time

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