Re: [vpFREE] W2-G in Mississippi

 

Lots of old and outdated and just plain wrong info being posted here on this subject.   Also there is confusion about STATE and FEDERAL withholding rules.    Usually there isn't required FED withholding unless you a non-USA-resident or you don't give your SS#.  You can request Fed withholding but not all casinos want to "bother" with that. 

State withholding depends on the state rules.  I do know it is mandatory in Indiana and LA and in some other states but I don't have that list.  I plan to add that in the new edition of the tax book.  

MS is a special case.  Here is the verified info from the 2015 edition of "Tax Help for Gamblers."  I am just starting to work on the 2018 edition and haven't verified this particular section recently but I believe nothing has changed since 2015.


MISSISSIPPI—A CATEGORY OF ITS OWN
JEAN: Finally, there’s Mississippi, which adds a new kink to state income taxes on gambling. Formerly, they automatically withheld 5% state income tax from W-2G jackpots, but in 2002 they began taking out a 3% tax. For a couple of years, no one really knew what to call it. Was it a gambling tax? Was it a sin tax, similar to the one on cigarettes? Finally, the state, in the instructions for their state tax forms, began calling it a “non-refundable state income tax.”

MARISSA: Mississippi residents do get a small break, wherein the W-2G amount doesn’t have to be counted in their gross income for state income-tax purposes. And non-residents who live in a state with an income tax may take the withheld Mississippi tax as a credit
on their state taxes if they’ve counted Mississippi winnings in their gambling income. Or those who itemize on their federal return could list the withheld amount as a deduction on Schedule A, under State Income Taxes. It is, however, a preference item for figuring the Alternative Minimum Tax, which means that the deduction could hurt you in certain situations. If you are a recreational gambler who doesn’t fit into any of the above categories, that withheld amount is a permanent loss. Gamblers who file as professionals may take this Mississippi withholding tax as a business expense.

JEAN: If I still lived in Indiana and hit a W-2G jackpot as I did before this new law went into effect, I wouldn’t need to go through the hassle I described earlier of filing a non-resident Mississippi state return. I could simply take the amount of the Mississippi tax withheld as a credit against my Indiana state taxes. Since I now live in Nevada, which has no state tax, and I file as a business, if I have Mississippi tax withheld, I can list that amount as a business expense. 




 
















 
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[vpFREE] Indiana is mandatory state tax at 3.3% on w2gs

 





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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Indiana

 

Are you sure? I believe that all IN taxables have an instant 3.4% takeout for the IN state tax. You do not have to have Federal income tax taken out. Since I am the vpfree2 monitor for the Majestic Star in that state, I have occasionally had a taxable there though sadly none in 2017 or 2018. My late Mom's last royal was on 12/22/16 ($1,853 on a 25c progressive.) and they automatically made the state tax takeout.

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On Sunday, March 18, 2018 3:25 PM, "don ross rossx_98@yahoo.com [vpFREE]" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Here in Indiana, it is not manatory to have taxes taken out at the time of winning a jackpot - they always ask if we want them taken out or not - I do not have taxes taken out.  We do have to pay at the time of filing our income taxes so it is one lump sum.  

On Sunday, March 18, 2018, 11:58:38 AM EDT, harry.porter@verizon.net [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

Not sure what you're referring to as "contrary" (as far as exclusion of in-state gambling income from MS resident income tax returns, that's because the income is taxed via the equivalent of an "excise tax" at the time of jackpot payout, rather than an income tax.)

But, yes, in many other states it's possible to reclaim some or all of withheld income tax on gambling winnings as a non-resident by subsequently filing a return for that state.

As far as "not have any taxes taken out", in my limited experience I've found that state withholding (where it applies) is mandatory.  If you have further specific information re states where state tax withholding is optional, please share.


---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <rossx_98@...> wrote :

That's a contrary statement, isn't it?  Now in all honesty, this was years ago and I could have been mistaken about the state - I've gambled in many states and have learned not to have any taxes taken out.


On Sunday, March 18, 2018, 12:19:28 AM EDT, harry.porter@... [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
<re: getting a refund of gambling tax withholding on winnings in MS>

You must excel with "sleight of hand", rossx, (at least where MS tax withholding on gambling winnings is concerned):

http://www.dor.ms.gov/Pages/Individual-FAQs.aspx#23

"Taxes withheld by Mississippi casinos as a result of gambling winnings are not refundable in Mississippi. Mississippi residents are not required to report Mississippi gambling winnings as income on their state return."



---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <rossx_98@...> wrote :

It's not hard to do - get a state tax form and file it - I've done it and got my money back.





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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Withholding State Taxes

 

IL has you fill out an IL-1040CR. W2G income which is "taxed" in other states lets you take a credit in IL for the lower of the tax paid or the IL tax rate which is currently 4.95%.
I do not know whether you can treat the Mississippi charge as a tax? I have never had a taxable in Mississippi.

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On Sunday, March 18, 2018 3:27 PM, "don ross rossx_98@yahoo.com [vpFREE]" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
P.S.  I believe this is also true in Illinois.


On Sunday, March 18, 2018, 11:58:38 AM EDT, harry.porter@verizon.net [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

Not sure what you're referring to as "contrary" (as far as exclusion of in-state gambling income from MS resident income tax returns, that's because the income is taxed via the equivalent of an "excise tax" at the time of jackpot payout, rather than an income tax.)

But, yes, in many other states it's possible to reclaim some or all of withheld income tax on gambling winnings as a non-resident by subsequently filing a return for that state.

As far as "not have any taxes taken out", in my limited experience I've found that state withholding (where it applies) is mandatory.  If you have further specific information re states where state tax withholding is optional, please share.


---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <rossx_98@...> wrote :

That's a contrary statement, isn't it?  Now in all honesty, this was years ago and I could have been mistaken about the state - I've gambled in many states and have learned not to have any taxes taken out.


On Sunday, March 18, 2018, 12:19:28 AM EDT, harry.porter@... [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
<re: getting a refund of gambling tax withholding on winnings in MS>

You must excel with "sleight of hand", rossx, (at least where MS tax withholding on gambling winnings is concerned):

http://www.dor.ms.gov/Pages/Individual-FAQs.aspx#23

"Taxes withheld by Mississippi casinos as a result of gambling winnings are not refundable in Mississippi. Mississippi residents are not required to report Mississippi gambling winnings as income on their state return."



---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <rossx_98@...> wrote :

It's not hard to do - get a state tax form and file it - I've done it and got my money back.





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[vpFREE] Re: Withholding State Taxes

 

P.S.  I believe this is also true in Illinois.


On Sunday, March 18, 2018, 11:58:38 AM EDT, harry.porter@verizon.net [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 


Not sure what you're referring to as "contrary" (as far as exclusion of in-state gambling income from MS resident income tax returns, that's because the income is taxed via the equivalent of an "excise tax" at the time of jackpot payout, rather than an income tax.)

But, yes, in many other states it's possible to reclaim some or all of withheld income tax on gambling winnings as a non-resident by subsequently filing a return for that state.

As far as "not have any taxes taken out", in my limited experience I've found that state withholding (where it applies) is mandatory.  If you have further specific information re states where state tax withholding is optional, please share.


---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <rossx_98@...> wrote :

That's a contrary statement, isn't it?  Now in all honesty, this was years ago and I could have been mistaken about the state - I've gambled in many states and have learned not to have any taxes taken out.


On Sunday, March 18, 2018, 12:19:28 AM EDT, harry.porter@... [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

<re: getting a refund of gambling tax withholding on winnings in MS>

You must excel with "sleight of hand", rossx, (at least where MS tax withholding on gambling winnings is concerned):

http://www.dor.ms.gov/Pages/Individual-FAQs.aspx#23

"Taxes withheld by Mississippi casinos as a result of gambling winnings are not refundable in Mississippi. Mississippi residents are not required to report Mississippi gambling winnings as income on their state return."



---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <rossx_98@...> wrote :

It's not hard to do - get a state tax form and file it - I've done it and got my money back.



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[vpFREE] Re: Indiana

 

Here in Indiana, it is not manatory to have taxes taken out at the time of winning a jackpot - they always ask if we want them taken out or not - I do not have taxes taken out.  We do have to pay at the time of filing our income taxes so it is one lump sum.  

On Sunday, March 18, 2018, 11:58:38 AM EDT, harry.porter@verizon.net [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 


Not sure what you're referring to as "contrary" (as far as exclusion of in-state gambling income from MS resident income tax returns, that's because the income is taxed via the equivalent of an "excise tax" at the time of jackpot payout, rather than an income tax.)

But, yes, in many other states it's possible to reclaim some or all of withheld income tax on gambling winnings as a non-resident by subsequently filing a return for that state.

As far as "not have any taxes taken out", in my limited experience I've found that state withholding (where it applies) is mandatory.  If you have further specific information re states where state tax withholding is optional, please share.


---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <rossx_98@...> wrote :

That's a contrary statement, isn't it?  Now in all honesty, this was years ago and I could have been mistaken about the state - I've gambled in many states and have learned not to have any taxes taken out.


On Sunday, March 18, 2018, 12:19:28 AM EDT, harry.porter@... [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

<re: getting a refund of gambling tax withholding on winnings in MS>

You must excel with "sleight of hand", rossx, (at least where MS tax withholding on gambling winnings is concerned):

http://www.dor.ms.gov/Pages/Individual-FAQs.aspx#23

"Taxes withheld by Mississippi casinos as a result of gambling winnings are not refundable in Mississippi. Mississippi residents are not required to report Mississippi gambling winnings as income on their state return."



---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <rossx_98@...> wrote :

It's not hard to do - get a state tax form and file it - I've done it and got my money back.



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Re: [vpFREE] W2-G in Mississippi

 

Thanks to all who chose to opine.  Looks like a "bad news/good news" situation. <smile>


The bad news: kiss the $120 good-bye.

The good news: no hassle of submitting a state tax return.

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Re: [vpFREE] W2-G in Mississippi

 


Not sure what you're referring to as "contrary" (as far as exclusion of in-state gambling income from MS resident income tax returns, that's because the income is taxed via the equivalent of an "excise tax" at the time of jackpot payout, rather than an income tax.)

But, yes, in many other states it's possible to reclaim some or all of withheld income tax on gambling winnings as a non-resident by subsequently filing a return for that state.

As far as "not have any taxes taken out", in my limited experience I've found that state withholding (where it applies) is mandatory.  If you have further specific information re states where state tax withholding is optional, please share.


---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <rossx_98@...> wrote :

That's a contrary statement, isn't it?  Now in all honesty, this was years ago and I could have been mistaken about the state - I've gambled in many states and have learned not to have any taxes taken out.


On Sunday, March 18, 2018, 12:19:28 AM EDT, harry.porter@... [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

<re: getting a refund of gambling tax withholding on winnings in MS>

You must excel with "sleight of hand", rossx, (at least where MS tax withholding on gambling winnings is concerned):

http://www.dor.ms.gov/Pages/Individual-FAQs.aspx#23

"Taxes withheld by Mississippi casinos as a result of gambling winnings are not refundable in Mississippi. Mississippi residents are not required to report Mississippi gambling winnings as income on their state return."



---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <rossx_98@...> wrote :

It's not hard to do - get a state tax form and file it - I've done it and got my money back.



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