RE: [vpFREE] Re: free play question

 


James wrote: One option might be playing the Blackjack multihand machines at Wynn. I played them last week and use the closed in Martingale strategy written about by Basil Nestor in Casino Player magazine. I did well. There are 25 cent, 50 cent and dollar Blackjack machines on the property. All machines have seven spots, and you can play up to 70 units.
Martingales are bad news --- closed end or not; the RS version or not. You usually do well. But when you do poorly you do VERY poorly. They do not change the basic math of the game. Bob


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[vpFREE] Re: free play question

 

Thanks for the responses. I will proceed with playing the $5 JOB. Since I don't play those high denoms it will be more fun even if it is for only 12 hands. I will be going to Winn on 7/31 (my birthday)and will let everyone know how it goes.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Ed Miller <ed.miller@...> wrote:
>
> If you feel you really could use the $300
> (or close to it) to make your personal finances work then play a small game.
>
> Otherwise the $5 game is clearly better. I'd play that one for sure if I had the same offer.
>
> Ed
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 22, 2012, at 10:06 AM, "rob.singer1111@..."<rob.singer1111@...> wrote:
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> > I play freeplay thru once and cash it out, then leave, 99% of the time. If your goal is to end up with as much money as you can expect to, then play the lowest denomination you can stomach. I almost always play mine at Wynn on the 25c BP game, which is as you say, 7/5. Some people would run the $300 thru a $5 game hoping to get a lucky hit, but that overwhelmingly does not happen. Everyone may have different opinions on this, but the non-greedy approach is mine, and I've done very well with freeplay over the years.
> >
> > ----- Reply message -----
> > From: "upside1581" <bradritt@...>
> > To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [vpFREE] free play question
> > Date: Sun, Jul 22, 2012 7:52 am
> > I have $300 in free play at the Wynn. What is the best game to play and at what denomination if i just want to only run the $300 free play through? The data base shows 9/6 JOB at $5. However that is 12 hands and your done. Whould it be better to play $7/5 BP for $1 or .25 with lower EV but more hands taking more of the volitility out? There is no 9/6 JOB in the lower denoms.
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[vpFREE] Re: Multiple progressive machines

 



That part is definitely optimal because expectations are linear meaning the expected value of aX+bY is aE(X)+bE(Y). I'm still not sure about how to make decisions about when to play the machine though.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, savorvpx <savorvpx@...> wrote:
>
> On multiline progressives that have a royal progressive on each hand, I average them and proceed as if it were a single-line progressive with that jackpot. Someone may recommend a more sophisticated method.
>
> So where's Frank Kneeland?
>
> P. S. Regarding the confidence quantifier he posted a lot about a few months ago, I just saw this on his website. No indication of when it was written -
>
> "If you are coming to this site to download "The Confidence Quantifier" mentioned in my article this month in Blackjack Insider Newsletter please check back in about a week. And sorry for the delay. The utility did not pass the final code check and I'm having to re-write parts of it. I will release it just as quickly as it's working well and it should be soon."
>
> https://www.progressivevp.com/
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpplayer88" <vpplayer88@> wrote:
> >
> > I am wondering about machines with multiple progressive jackpots, say three, five or ten handed machines with a separate jackpot for each hand. At a single hand machine, the strategy is obvious, sit down when the jackpot is high and play until it hits. In addition, it's clear how meter rise affects the expected return, especially if you can take the entire bank.
> >
> > Does anyone have any thoughts on strategies for multi hand progressives. You still sit down when the progressive is high but what is the new stopping rule? How does meter rise affect the game return?
> >
> > If you saw a machine where the meter rise was greater than the house edge on the base jackpot, how would that change the optimal strategy? For example, would the optimal strategy ever be play until a dealt royal?    
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[vpFREE] Re: free play question

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "upside1581" <bradritt@...> wrote:
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> I have $300 in free play at the Wynn. What is the best game to play and at what denomination if i just want to only run the $300 free play through? The data base shows 9/6 JOB at $5. However that is 12 >

This response to a nearly identical question from a few years ago might help:

<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE/message/109770>.

If the link doesn't work the suggested game was video roulette. Is there a flaw in the suggested strategy?

Mike P.

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RE: [vpFREE] Re: free play question

 


One option might be playing the Blackjack multihand machines at Wynn. I played them last week and use the closed in Martingale strategy written about by Basil Nestor in Casino Player magazine. I did well. There are 25 cent, 50 cent and dollar Blackjack machines on the property. All machines have seven spots, and you can play up to 70 units.

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RE: [vpFREE] Re: free play question

 


Luke wrote:

It appears that Mr. Dancer did not complete his thought, before clicking

'send.'

Exactly correct. And as I'm coming back to it, I'm thinking this is a topic to talk about at some length on this week's Gambling with an Edge. If you're unfamiliar with my thoughts on this subject, assume I'm always going to be in agreement with whatever Ed Miller posts on the subject. You won't be off very often with this assumption. Bob



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[vpFREE] Majestic Star 1 & 2 Bar Tops

 

The 8 machines at bars on each boat (16 total) now are "Superstar" poker
(similar to "All Star" poker) with a number of VP games formats plus keno
and slots.

Some of these are 5c/10c/25c and some are 25c/50c/$1. As I had my mom with
me, I only did a quick check of a few games and it appears to all be short
pay or very short pay.

Best I saw was 8/6 Jacks on single line.

I will try to get back out there WE morning to do a complete inventory on
these but suspect no playable VP on these.

That removes the 3 way 25c progressive from the Majestic Star 1 which I have
removed from the database.

Howard W. Stern

Majestic Star (and Rivers-Des Plaines IL) vpfree monitor.

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[vpFREE] Re: Multiple progressive machines

 

On multiline progressives that have a royal progressive on each hand, I average them and proceed as if it were a single-line progressive with that jackpot. Someone may recommend a more sophisticated method.

So where's Frank Kneeland?

P. S. Regarding the confidence quantifier he posted a lot about a few months ago, I just saw this on his website. No indication of when it was written -

"If you are coming to this site to download "The Confidence Quantifier" mentioned in my article this month in Blackjack Insider Newsletter please check back in about a week. And sorry for the delay. The utility did not pass the final code check and I'm having to re-write parts of it. I will release it just as quickly as it's working well and it should be soon."

https://www.progressivevp.com/

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpplayer88" <vpplayer88@...> wrote:
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> I am wondering about machines with multiple progressive jackpots, say three, five or ten handed machines with a separate jackpot for each hand. At a single hand machine, the strategy is obvious, sit down when the jackpot is high and play until it hits. In addition, it's clear how meter rise affects the expected return, especially if you can take the entire bank.
>
> Does anyone have any thoughts on strategies for multi hand progressives. You still sit down when the progressive is high but what is the new stopping rule? How does meter rise affect the game return?
>
> If you saw a machine where the meter rise was greater than the house edge on the base jackpot, how would that change the optimal strategy? For example, would the optimal strategy ever be play until a dealt royal?    

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[vpFREE] Re: free play question

 

> I have $300 in free play at the Wynn. What is the best game to play
and at what denomination if i just want to only run the $300 free play
through?

If I want the $300, and am not looking for a spectacular win...
Playing 0.25/0.50 or 5-10-play nickels (1.25-2.50/hand) doesn't take
very long.

1) I play Jacks (even 6/5) and Bonus for the 2-pair; e.g. if I'm going
to play a short session and don't expect to see a quad...
Sometimes Bonus pays better than Jacks. I haven't been to the Wynn
in 2 years, so don't know what's available.
The penalty for playing 8/5 Jacks vs. 9/6 Jacks might be -$5 to -$20
(Theoretically it would be 2% x $300 = $6).

2) I use a press strategy. Play a hand at 0.25. If it wins, play
next hand at 0.50. If that wins, play next hand at 1.00. If a hand
loses, go down.

3) I've had good luck lately with 100-play nickels. Play 10 hands
($2.50). If it returns less than half, go down to 5 hands ($1.25)
until winning more than $1.25.
Alternate 5 & 10 hands.

The return will be less than treating the free play as real money, and
playing the way you normally would (i.e. sacrificing $6-12 for a 2-4%
penalty),
however, the variance will be lower (e.g. if your goal is to have
maximum chance of cashing out $250-275 from $300).

Mitchell

P.S. Sometimes I do a press strategy on Video Blackjack. Ideally 3/2
BJ with double-down, split (only 2 hands), and surrender.

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: free play question

Both EV and time. I'd much rather play it off in 2 minutes than play it off
in 40 minutes for $4.50 less.

Not sure what about playing 12 hands would make EV not matter...

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:10 PM, rob.singer1111@yahoo.com <
rob.singer1111@yahoo.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Dollar BJ seems like a good option also, when getting as much of the $300
> into your wallet playing it thru once is important. I think Ed is referring
> to game EV, but I don't see that as much of an issue when playing just 12
> hands.
>
> Of course, how many people SAY they're going to play the freeplay thru
> once, then for whatever reason, don't. On another forum recently, a player
> with $2500 in freeplay asked opinions on the best way to get the most out
> of that, similar to the OP did here. After all the input, he announced he
> would only play it thru once and leave with whatever he was lucky enough to
> win. He did not specify the freeplay choice beforehand, but when he played
> it he split it into 8 hands of $25 DDB ($1000), and $1500 on $5 BP. Within
> those hands he hit a SF and some other little winners in the first 8 hands,
> then four Aces among other less significant winners with the $1500. Over
> $10k in profit at the quitting point, but he couldn't stop for whatever
> reason. He took home $2000 and called it a success. Of course, I didn't.
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@yahoo.com>
> To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: free play question
> Date: Sun, Jul 22, 2012 10:44 am
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Ed Miller <ed.miller@...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > If you feel you really could use the $300
>
> > (or close to it) to make your personal finances work then play a small
> game.
>
> >
>
> > Otherwise the $5 game is clearly better. I'd play that one for sure if I
> had the same offer.
>
> >
>
> > Ed
>
> >
>
> If it's that important to the person to walk away with as much of the $300
> as one can, perhaps he could run it through a video blackjack game at a
> dollar a hand, even if it pays even-money for blackjack. I think one can
> find these games in almost any casino. No?
>
> -BB
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[vpFREE] Vegas Values Report - 22 JUL 2012

 

Vegas Values Report - 22 JUL 2012

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[vpFREE] Re: free play question

 


On the other hand, if you have a small bankroll, does it make sense to play a machine that has a 20k royal?

I'd like to hear the back story about how someone who worries about these type of things accumulated 300 in free play at the Wynn. You had to be willing to take some risk at some point.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bob Dancer <bobdancervp@...> wrote:
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> The primary factor is whether you consider this $300 to be a unique piece of gambling. I wouldn't but others sometime disagree.
>
> If you consider yourself in one long session that began with your first bet years ago
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 22, 2012, at 10:44 AM, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:
>
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Ed Miller <ed.miller@> wrote:
> > >
> > > If you feel you really could use the $300
> > > (or close to it) to make your personal finances work then play a small game.
> > >
> > > Otherwise the $5 game is clearly better. I'd play that one for sure if I had the same offer.
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
> >
> > If it's that important to the person to walk away with as much of the $300 as one can, perhaps he could run it through a video blackjack game at a dollar a hand, even if it pays even-money for blackjack. I think one can find these games in almost any casino. No?
> >
> > -BB
> >
> >
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Re: [vpFREE] Re: free play question

 

It appears that Mr. Dancer did not complete his thought, before clicking
'send.'

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Bob Dancer <bobdancervp@hotmail.com>wrote:

> The primary factor is whether you consider this $300 to be a unique piece
> of gambling. I wouldn't but others sometime disagree.
>
> If you consider yourself in one long session that began with your first
> bet years ago
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Re: [vpFREE] Re: free play question

 

Dollar BJ seems like a good option also, when getting as much of the $300 into your wallet playing it thru once is important. I think Ed is referring to game EV, but I don't see that as much of an issue when playing just 12 hands.

Of course, how many people SAY they're going to play the freeplay thru once, then for whatever reason, don't. On another forum recently, a player with $2500 in freeplay asked opinions on the best way to get the most out of that, similar to the OP did here. After all the input, he announced he would only play it thru once and leave with whatever he was lucky enough to win. He did not specify the freeplay choice beforehand, but when he played it he split it into 8 hands of $25 DDB ($1000), and $1500 on $5 BP. Within those hands he hit a SF and some other little winners in the first 8 hands, then four Aces among other less significant winners with the $1500. Over $10k in profit at the quitting point, but he couldn't stop for whatever reason. He took home $2000 and called it a success. Of course, I didn't.

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From: "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@yahoo.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: free play question
Date: Sun, Jul 22, 2012 10:44 am
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Ed Miller <ed.miller@...> wrote:

>

> If you feel you really could use the $300

> (or close to it) to make your personal finances work then play a small game.

>

> Otherwise the $5 game is clearly better. I'd play that one for sure if I had the same offer.

>

> Ed

>

If it's that important to the person to walk away with as much of the $300 as one can, perhaps he could run it through a video blackjack game at a dollar a hand, even if it pays even-money for blackjack. I think one can find these games in almost any casino. No?

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: free play question

 

The primary factor is whether you consider this $300 to be a unique piece of gambling. I wouldn't but others sometime disagree.

If you consider yourself in one long session that began with your first bet years ago

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 22, 2012, at 10:44 AM, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Ed Miller <ed.miller@...> wrote:
> >
> > If you feel you really could use the $300
> > (or close to it) to make your personal finances work then play a small game.
> >
> > Otherwise the $5 game is clearly better. I'd play that one for sure if I had the same offer.
> >
> > Ed
> >
>
> If it's that important to the person to walk away with as much of the $300 as one can, perhaps he could run it through a video blackjack game at a dollar a hand, even if it pays even-money for blackjack. I think one can find these games in almost any casino. No?
>
> -BB
>
>

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[vpFREE] Re: free play question

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Ed Miller <ed.miller@...> wrote:
>
> If you feel you really could use the $300
> (or close to it) to make your personal finances work then play a small game.
>
> Otherwise the $5 game is clearly better. I'd play that one for sure if I had the same offer.
>
> Ed
>

If it's that important to the person to walk away with as much of the $300 as one can, perhaps he could run it through a video blackjack game at a dollar a hand, even if it pays even-money for blackjack. I think one can find these games in almost any casino. No?

-BB

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