[vpFREE] Re: Luck versus Skill question for Iguana and Texas Hold'em players

 

LOL. Have you ever tried it? I don't think it can be that good, because if that was the case nobody would play it, at least not for long, the machines would sit empty. Sklansky plays it, but I guess he would qualify as one of those top but somewhat unknown players and maybe he's just got a gig as a shill. The early revisions had some serious flaws that caused a number of casinos to pull the machines, I assume the really bad flaws have been fixed by now. One flaw had to do with its fold frequency when you got all in from being short stacked to start. One advantage it has is that it likes to steal the button on any rebuy or cashout or freeplay or handpay or taxable and so on which a lot of players I've seen don't seem to notice. I guess it's an argument whether or not the button has the advantage in this game, but my guess is that it does.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Ed Miller <ed.miller@...> wrote:
>
> I have thoughts about the IGT bot. If you aren't a proven, successful
> high-stakes heads-up limit hold'em player, I expect you to get slaughtered.
>
> Ed
>
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 1:40 PM, nightoftheiguana2000 <
> nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:
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> > **
> >
> >
> > The variance of basic blackjack is something like 2, seems like hold'em
> > should be some small multiple of that, I dunno, maybe 4 or 5, I think that
> > kind of figure has been floated before. Sklansky's twoplustwo.com might
> > have some info. Bob should get Sklansky on his radio show. Once you have
> > the variance, the SD can be approximated as half the average pot times
> > sqrt(variance x hands). Hold'em edges are usually expressed in terms of
> > BigBlinds per hour, like 1-2BB/hour. Also, in hold'em, how you play effects
> > the variance, there are plays that increase the variance and there are
> > plays that decrease it, like "pot control". The igt bot is mostly a
> > hyper-LAG and the best response to that is to call a lot but not raise a
> > lot, that might give you some ideas of how to play. Hyper-LAG itself is a
> > high variance strategy. Ed Miller, the "noted poker authority", used to be
> > on this forum, maybe he has some ideas of how to play the igt bot.
> >
> > Strategy discussion:
> > http://www.lvrevealed.com/articles/research/selby.html
> > http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/109/heads-up-limit/
> >
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "kcace1024" <cy4873@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The best EV game left at one of my local casinos may be the Head Up
> > Texas Hold'em game. How many hands will I need to play to have a good
> > estimate of the house or player edge? I guess the average pot size may be
> > required to figure the variance?
> > >
> > > If I assume no edge (breakeven play) what is the equation to get the
> > standard deviation for profit or loss after N hands. Can I use average pot
> > size and treat it like N coin flips or does the variation in pot size
> > affect the result. If I can play this game at breakeven then I can earn
> > freeplay and comps.
> > >
> > > I found a robot to play Heads Up on the Kongregate web site. Does anyone
> > know of other robots I can play online for practice? Is there a basic
> > strategy (like in blackjack) for playing robots heads up?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
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