OK Newbie here contributing to the argument...
Look, the winning player also benefits the Casino.
Just like the Options and Futures Trader benefits
the farmer by creating a market for them.
Winning players bring a lot of extra action to
Casinos and smart ones take advantage of it.
At the Carnival, you see the Staff jumping up
and down, celebrating when someone wins
a big pink elephant.
They also loosen up their games if there aren't
enough winners.
I'll tell you all a short version of something that
happened to me in the 80s.
Vegas trip for college age kids, I was 22, they
were all 21.
Six of us total.
We went out for the night.
We hit the strip.
We were driving downtown when we saw Stupak's
Casino in the middle of nowhere and stopped.
The hotel was shaped like a giant slot machine.
We went inside.
I was grinding out maybe $50 an hour on the
blackjack tables, the only one in the house
on them at 3 AM ish in the morning...
My friends were bored with all this 'strategy'
stuff I had been preaching and when they
didn't win right away, the walked around
playing anything open, losing steadily.
Then one of my buddies sat down beside me
ordered some chips and asked me what my
card counting told him I should bet.
The Dealer and the Pit Boss had a quick
conference and I was 86ed.
So my other five friends walked out with me.
We took the rented Lincoln to Downtown
where I continued to win at a much slower
pace than they were losing.
For every one of us that's excited about grinding
out a point or two out of the Casino's hide, there
are 10-20 people who hear about it and try to do
it without the discipline we have to use to win.
Most of my friends don't care if they lose $500
at the Casino. I do.
They play until it's gone, or they have to go to bed.
Whatever comes first.
When I go to the Casino, they want to go with me.
And I always win, they always lose.
Almost always, but you know what I mean.
I have a reputation for winning.
But I can't beat Blackjack anymore.
That's why I am studying at your feet, Frank and Mickey.
So smart Casinos like South Point can see the
benefit of having Mister Dancer teach VP and
the M will take his advantage play, too.
Oh, and did you read that Mister D lost a lot
more than the Land Rover he won was worth?
Most Casinos will take a fair shot at a pros
money, no problem.
Unless you sting them too badly, cheat or take
advantange some way, they aren't going to take
your VP machines away.
--- On Mon, 2/7/11, caplatinum <belairgold@aol.com> wrote:
From: caplatinum <belairgold@aol.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Killing the Golden Deuce
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 7, 2011, 8:34 AM
What world are you living in Frank? The Palms is no longer the Palms - the 9/6 Jacks are gone - from the $1/2 multiplays - one day they will wake up and realize NSU Deuces pay better than 9/6 and be gone too. Already almost anything decent is excluded from promotions, the few machines that aren't are accidents not deliberate attempts to keep a few.
They had some decent stuff in the new room in the Mint and took them out You really believe the Palms want professional players?
They have taken actions against people just for winning even fairly.
Illegal use of bingo cards? Meaning these people can be prosecuted? or did they just violate Palms rules (which is still different than illegal) or did they technically comply with the rules but find a way around the intent?
You better believe it is us versus them because that is how the casinos see it - the Palms was not always like that, it is now - I don't blame them, their profit on people who inhabit this group is non-existant.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:
>
> I just heard from a higher up at my sponsor the Palms, that the Bingo Card Promo was canceled due to illegal abuse from players seeking to make more than the promo was worth. They intended to keep it going until the players abused it.
>
> You should be ashamed, whoever you are. When a casino as nice as The Palms is to professionals, you don't seek to take even more than they are fairly offering. That's like what Christopher Columbus did on Hispaniola when he slaughtered the very natives that had rescued him and saved his life.
>
> http://www.danielnpaul.com/ChristopherColumbus.html
>
> There are fewer Casinos everyday that are friendly with good machines, and you kick them for it. Fooey on youee!
>
> If you don't have enough ethics to keep to legal gambling, please wander off into some other business and stop bringing down a bad reputation on ours.
>
> The VP pros I know and associate with, are not just the most honest gamblers I know, they are the most ethical and honest people I've ever known.
>
> When you deliberately break rules, you lower us to common criminals.
>
> All that is required to gain an advantage playing VP is:
>
> 1. Playing the right machines
> 2. Playing correct strategy
> 3. Playing at the right times (in the case of progressives or promos)
> 4. A little hard work and dedication
>
> It not us against them. But if you treat it that way, it will make it that way.
>
> ~A teacher is to a student, like the water to the soil. He cannot grow a pomegranate from a mustard seed.
>
> ~FK
>
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