unless this virus just goes away, will we ever be safe? even with a vaccine. we have the flu vaccine available yet so many people die from it every year and so many choose not to take the vaccine. you can't rely on the sick people to stay home, they've been going out for years and years with no concern about spreading their germs. the way people cough and sneeze into their hands, pick their teeth and noses then touch the chips is a big reason why I'm not a big fan of table games or live poker. i loved the electronic texas holdem tables but they unfortunately disappeared quickly. I am itching to go back to the casinos, but I will continue to wear my mask and disinfect any vp or slot machine that i plan on playing. I feel for everyone who's affected by this dreaded virus, the sick, the unemployed, the essential workers, all of us.
vent over.
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From: Barry Glazer b.glazer@att.net [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
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Experts agree that re-opening the world is important, but also agree that the near-universal ability to test and to trace contacts is essential to re-opening safely. Even with that, the virus will be around, and when it's not, will be back ... until availability of vaccine/s -- est. 12-18 months, and likely with delays after that before availability is widespread.
Re: poker, as long as you handle chips and cards, person-to-person spacing is somewhat irrelevant. And trust me, I'm a big poker fan, whose weekly home game shut down five weeks ago, probably a week or two later than it should have (like much of the world, and we didn't know better yet). Thankfully we're all well so far.
While it is likely that volume of exposure is associated with likelihood of disease, experts say that we don't yet know this for a fact, nor do we know how much exposure is needed for the virus to "take hold" in a person once exposed. Health care workers and others in contact with a lot of the public are extreme examples -- but the casino environment is definitely "contact with a lot of the public". And all such data, even when solid, will likely be on a bell-shaped curve (that we all understand), with the amount of exposure needed to get disease varying from very little to a lot over a large population.
I wish I could trust those who are sick to stay home -- but unless that trust could be universal, I'm not ready to expose myself to disease based on that trust. Not to mention the culture of young people who I see regularly defying social distancing and conducting themselves as though immune, even though they can thus spread virus among themselves and then to others.
I was an early sceptic of most of this. I've become a believer, and would rather take a break from casino gambling for a year or more, and then be able to go back for many years after that.
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On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 01:41:21 AM EDT, James Morgan what7do7you7want@yahoo.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Poker won't work with spaced seating. Does this mean no poker, or should we let adults decide for themselves the risk they will take. I say let people decide for themselves.
Masks should be mandatory for all persons in the casino public areas. Despite the moronic, transparent suggestion that people not used masks that we had from our P.O.S. government last month, masks are VERY good at slowing the spread. A mask is not very good at keeping the virus out of your system (though with goggles and correct fit they are pretty good and even a crap cloth mask is better than nothing), but it is very good at preventing people from putting viral contagions into the air. I doubt any precise numbers have been obtained, but surely the levels of virus in the air must be much lower if everyone has a mask, which means a much lower "R" (R is transmission rate, usually expressed as number of people each person infects) I have also read that the volume of contagion matters as well. People exposed to lower levels in their environment tend to have less severe illnesses. We have seen the worst fatality rates from persons in confined spaces like nursing homes, ships, and NYC. A high viral load is almost certainly a factor in the high rate of cases that have happened to our medical staff.
Because people can be asymptomatic and be carriers, and most sick people will stay home, we don't need temperature taking, tracking software and such, but we do need universal testing, ASAP. Once that is done, people can have some form of proof of a recent test that can be examined at entry points. Testing is especially important for those at risk due to comorbidities. They need to know if it is safe for them to be out and about or if they need to self isolate until a vaccine is ready.
It is important to realize that this disease is too contagious to keep totally in ch! eck. More or less everyone will be exposed unless they remain isolated until a vaccine is ready. We need to let go of the idea that we can keep everyone from being exposed. Instead, we need to focus on slowing the spread so those who do need hospital care can receive excellent care. The economy cannot stand much more shutdown. A global depression of unprecedented magnitude would be the likely result, though it might be a bit more accurate to simply say that nobody knows how bad things will get. We are in totally unknown territory in term of the economy. But if we do have another world wide great depression, it will kill far more people than the virus and create widespread human misery as well. It may seem heartless, but we cannot measure our success in terms of only the virus and those who are infected. In complex systems, it is quite rare for optimal solutions to be based on maximizing only one kind of parameter.
We are now far better prepared, can slow the spread by closing schools and using masks, and have a number of promising treatments being studied. We have more hospital capacity now. We need to resume our normal lives with a small number of high impact modifications that are not toxic to the economy as a whole, such as keeping schools closed until at least the fall and even then enforcing some social distancing standards such as masks and smaller classes, which might mean having students attend 3 days a week, do 2 days on the computer and allowing the class sizes to be split in half.
Masks should be mandatory for all persons in the casino public areas. Despite the moronic, transparent suggestion that people not used masks that we had from our P.O.S. government last month, masks are VERY good at slowing the spread. A mask is not very good at keeping the virus out of your system (though with goggles and correct fit they are pretty good and even a crap cloth mask is better than nothing), but it is very good at preventing people from putting viral contagions into the air. I doubt any precise numbers have been obtained, but surely the levels of virus in the air must be much lower if everyone has a mask, which means a much lower "R" (R is transmission rate, usually expressed as number of people each person infects) I have also read that the volume of contagion matters as well. People exposed to lower levels in their environment tend to have less severe illnesses. We have seen the worst fatality rates from persons in confined spaces like nursing homes, ships, and NYC. A high viral load is almost certainly a factor in the high rate of cases that have happened to our medical staff.
Because people can be asymptomatic and be carriers, and most sick people will stay home, we don't need temperature taking, tracking software and such, but we do need universal testing, ASAP. Once that is done, people can have some form of proof of a recent test that can be examined at entry points. Testing is especially important for those at risk due to comorbidities. They need to know if it is safe for them to be out and about or if they need to self isolate until a vaccine is ready.
It is important to realize that this disease is too contagious to keep totally in ch! eck. More or less everyone will be exposed unless they remain isolated until a vaccine is ready. We need to let go of the idea that we can keep everyone from being exposed. Instead, we need to focus on slowing the spread so those who do need hospital care can receive excellent care. The economy cannot stand much more shutdown. A global depression of unprecedented magnitude would be the likely result, though it might be a bit more accurate to simply say that nobody knows how bad things will get. We are in totally unknown territory in term of the economy. But if we do have another world wide great depression, it will kill far more people than the virus and create widespread human misery as well. It may seem heartless, but we cannot measure our success in terms of only the virus and those who are infected. In complex systems, it is quite rare for optimal solutions to be based on maximizing only one kind of parameter.
We are now far better prepared, can slow the spread by closing schools and using masks, and have a number of promising treatments being studied. We have more hospital capacity now. We need to resume our normal lives with a small number of high impact modifications that are not toxic to the economy as a whole, such as keeping schools closed until at least the fall and even then enforcing some social distancing standards such as masks and smaller classes, which might mean having students attend 3 days a week, do 2 days on the computer and allowing the class sizes to be split in half.
We need millions of Americans to go back to work, ASAP.
QZ
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Time to get Nevada back to work (and play): An open letter to Governor
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https://www.cdcgamingreports.com/commentaries/time-to-get-nevada-back-to-work-and-play-an-open-letter-to-governor-steve-sisolak/
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