JZ - You touch on all the salient points here, of course.
Like you, I've stressed above all that one should be mindful about accuracy over speed.
But all this stressing about accuracy has to throw up in the minds of some exactly why anyone would want to push speed under any circumstance.
Let me throw out some hard stats from my own experience ... (based upon my past posts, it should be envisioned that I "overthink" this aspect of my play, as I do most others)
While software tutors, such as winpoker, can't duplicate the casino experience, they do open a strong window into assessing one's own accuracy, and the impact of speed on that accuracy.
Measuring over practice sessions of 20-30 minutes, I can maintain 1000 hph playing Jacks with 100% accuracy (maybe 1 mistake for every 3 or 4 hours of practice). When I boost my speed to 1400 hph, I become subject to modest errors that cut my effective play return by approx 0.1%. (Speed has a great impact on my practice of games such as DB or DW.)
I'm confident that these stats carry over to my casino play when the "accurate" speed is cut to 800 hph, and the "aggressive" speed is 1200 hph.
In that case, at the higher speed, I'm introducing an error cost of 6 cr/hr that could be avoided by slower play. So long as I'm playing with an advantage of at least .1%, the faster pace doesn't come at an economic cost when expressed on an hourly basis.
Where the faster pace permits me to record higher daily play, I definitely come out ahead of the picture. Where, instead, I hold my total play constant, I incur a modest cost, but one that I find worthwhile in terms of the added free time during my trip.
All games aren't equivalent, so I assess my play speed accordingly.
- H.
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> > I'm puzzled, and more than a little amused, by any suggestion that someone might inflate their reported play speed......
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> A couple things on playing speed. Clocking your play for a minute and taking that as your long term play speed is misleading. If you can play 20 hands in a minute, that's a lot easier to do than playing 1200 hands in one hour and also very different from playing 12000 hands in 10 hours. So, some of the speed claims may be based on the one minute sample. If you write down your starting time, play for 3 hours and look at the hands played, I think it will be a lot less than your one minute speed.
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> Speed is important in many situations:
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> - when play earns drawing tickets for a limited period of time
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> - when playing a sufficiently positive game
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> - when playing a game that may disappear soon
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> - when you are trying to hit a play goal and have limited playing time
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> - when playing a progressive
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> Playing accuracy dwarfs playing speed for your bottom line. Eliminating mistakes will add more money to your pocket than speed increases. Read Frank Kneeland's book for an interesting discussion of the various player mistakes.
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> As for speed claims, the machines I have played in Las Vegas I don't think are capable of 3000 hph. I haven't actually tried it but just hitting deal then draw repeatedly I don't think gets you to 3000 hph. The machines at Casino Royale that were at the main entrance ( as of February) are the fastest machines I have played. Playing Bonus Poker ( which I know very well) and trying to play quickly ( just to see how fast they would go) I got to 1620 hph in burst mode, 27 hands in 60 seconds. Now, there is a little rounding error in using a wrist watch to track the time and that is the play speed for only one minute.
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> Frank's 2500 - 3000 hph numbers I thought were for playing 2 machines ( which is a very impressive feat). On the machines I have seen, I think 2000 hph is the machine max achievable.
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> All that said, accuracy is way, way more important.
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