Here's another one up for debate--
is what he did illegal, immoral and/or cheating??
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/the-turnstile/phil-ivey-british-casino-embroiled-dispute-over-payment-032520482.html
or http://tinyurl.com/cgsxrcw
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Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Illegality, immorality and cheating
--- In mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com, Tim Tucker <smellypuppy@...> wrote:
>.Are they cheating? I do not see how that can be the case.
They forced a machine to pay them a win on a wager THEY NEVER MADE. I admit I don't think the machine rules explicitly say that you must place a bet to be paid on a winning hand (maybe it does, I haven't read the help screen in a long time). But I believe an implicit rule in every game of chance is that you won't get paid if you don't place a bet. I cant think of any game where this is not the case. Even in cases of freerolls and freeplay, there are explicit rules to explain how those promotions differ from the implied rule that you will not be paid if you don't make a wager.
If you don't realize that they were getting paid on a wager they never made, consider this. The original $1 hand they played to get quad aces ended as soon as they were paid for them. The double up wager ended as soon as that was resolved. At that point, there are no active bets. Then they select the $10 game and force the machine to pay them for quad aces without ever placing a bet.
There is no difference between this and walking in a casino, seeing that someone had hit quad aces on a machine some time before you got there, and somehow tricking an attendant to pay you for the hand that was left on the screen. If you do not see how what they did is cheating, do you also feel that this is also obviously legitimate?
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