First of all, they're 99.43%, not 99.2%. And who were you quoting in
referring to the ""positive" EV for Aces Bonus?" Besides the fact
that with double points, not to mention bounce back, easily earned
buffets, and gifts, they are (barely) over 100%, I was only nitpicking
with the description of 99.43% being "barely" over 99%. And why the
emphasis on "WHEN" the progressives get high enough? Based on most
player's standards, they're almost always high enough. I have to
agree with Frank about being very surprised at the objection there is
to a 104% game just because it's more volatile than other games. So
what? And sometimes they're better than 104%. I still don't get that
"up to." Lastly, don't knock that buffet until you've tried it.
There's a reason for the long lines and high prices.
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>OH BOY 13 machines with a 99.2% return!!!
>WOW! Aren't they generous!
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>Just think of all the "free" buffets (1 a day) you can "earn" with a few thousand points of play each day! Not to mention all the gifts they give out. Of course you may have to wait 1/2 hr or more in line, since even top card holders don't get a line pass. But you can never have enough casino clothes or booze can you?
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>Surely this must figure into your "positive" EV for Aces Bonus.
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>Or you can play the "up to 104%" money eater progressives WHEN they get high enough. I know one fellow who has hit TWO of those monster Royals! Last one was dealt to him so no player chart required, LOL.
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