They picked 102.5% because they thought that was as high as it would get. This was based on everyone always playing the highest meter. As it turns out a lot of people are playing the lower games, which is making the highest meters even higher than expected. About seven royals have now been hit on the bank. I was there when someone hit one tonight for $2,300.
I just left the Joker at 103.55% return. So you are right they lied. They understated it's potential significantly.
You seem to be convinced casinos are trying to trick you to such a degree that you are incapable of recognizing something good when it comes along.
Oh, I played 5 hours tonight...didn't hit the Royal and won $70.
I tried to have some of the other math folks on vpFREE explain how this bank works to you, but apparently your math skills are are not up to the task of understanding.
I feel bad about this, but I don't know how to explain something to you if you aren't capable of comprehending the answer.
Your comments about people who chase Royals being suckers are really embarrassing, and I don't mean to me. These are massively high Royals. You could get half as many as expected and still break even. Not to mention, I managed a team that did nothing but play for high Royals and did ridiculously well. Oh and we were only one of six teams all playing for high royals and all making tons of money.
Playing high progressives is one of the best edges you can get in a casino. The fact that you don't seem to understand this is alarming.
I'm only saying these things because I care and would like to help.
~FK
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "the7thwarrior" <Judy@...> wrote:
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> As I said at the beginning, these games are for suckers.
> Royal chasing suckers!
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> No matter what strategy you use, the paytables are set so low, if play for any length of time, and you don't hit the Royal, you lose. PERIOD!
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> Great Money maker for M. Great publicity creator for M. All bad for the average player.
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> The progressives are doing their job. Getting people to talk about and revisit the place. Most will not just walk in and walk out, but drop a few bucks along the way in OTHER machines. THe billboard is an outright lie. Even at 16,000 coins you don't reach 102%.But the UP TO is in front of that number. Maybe they are "set to hit" at that mark. Will be interesting to see. Why don't they just say, up to 200% payback? Royal up to one million coins? It could get there. Theorectically that is if no one hits for a very long time and people keep playing it. Not likely, but it could happen.
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> May as well play megabucks. At least then when you hit it, you win something worthwhile.
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rob.singer1111" <rob.singer1111@> wrote:
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> > I'm sure lots of opinions and comments have been made about these interestingly different machines. I've sat and played at the 25c SDBP ($1650 RF) version for 45 minutes as a test (quitting with a meaningless profit when four J's were hit), I've gone over all the numbers, and I have my own view of what these new machines mean to the casino and the player.
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> > As has been said, anyone who plays the lousy paytables when the royals are small is at a serious disadvantage, and some WILL play them at low royal levels. But since every credit bet on SDBP (or whatever game) contributes the exact same .5% to all 8 royals, the theory is the "experts" will only play the >100% games when they go that high, and in doing so, in conjunction with the unskilled players going at the lesser valued royals, they'll raise the royals on the other 7 or so games to "playable levels", thereby always having something positive to go after.
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> > BTW the signs around the casino aren't true. "Up to 102.5%", if the machines are fair, is wrong. If the royals aren't hit by the time the games reach a theoretical 102.5%, obviously it goes higher. Unless I'm missing something. Am I?
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> > It is very clear these machines will be just another money-maker for the casino and are a bad deal for the player. The optimal royal flush strategies for progressives of this type are a constantly moving target, and no expert, including yours truly, is capable of learning and then applying absolute expert strategy on so many different games on an as-required basis. As a result, even the best of players will continue to play at a sub 100% level no matter how high the royals go.
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> > At the end of the day these machines simply become nothing more than a pot shot for players seeking the thrill of hitting large 25c/50c/$1 royals. I was surprised that when I was playing them last Saturday night around 9pm, there was only one other person playing. You can tell the meters run much faster than anything we've seen in years. But when people stopped by to look the games over they didn't really care what the royals were. All they commented on were the poor pay tables.
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