Ah Frank,
I'll get you to my side :)
Here are the M Rules: http://www.themresort.com/rewards/imagine-rewards-card-benefits.html
It doesn't say anything about pulling cards being against the rules and it can't be written as a rule because no casinos have a mandatory "players club" (where you HAVE to play with a card).
The bottom line is that they are the ones calculating, thus are responsible for how its calculated. It would seem to me that if they want to plug this loophole (that THEY created), simply start the calculates at the rate of free play downloaded..thus if someone has $10.00 in free play, call it a $10.00 "trip" if a card is pulled.
I work in the computer industry and loopholes are plugged all the time with software updates.
cam
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:
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> Cam, I agree with most of what you said. I believe the rule "always play with your card inserted" is part of the M's rules. And pulling your card would indeed be "against their rules". I don't have the rules in front of me, so if this was one of those wonderful unwritten rules, shame on them.
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> The other examples you stated of casinos kicking people out merely for playing a promotion that they offered are indeed very sad and reprehensible. Bob & I chastised the Suncoast recently on-air for just such a debacle.
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> We hope the fear of bad press will help to keep some casinos in line. We do what we can with our own version of "tip of the hat--wag of the finger." Not much else anyone can do.
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> ~FK
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "camwellcam" <camwellcam@> wrote:
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> > I gotta know..What's considered blatant cheating?
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> > I have such a hard time wrapping my head around this.
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> > The casinos are the ones offering "promotions", "multipliers", "free play" and "fp video poker". They are the ones who are responsible for putting any conditions on these perks (such as "don't pull your card after you download free play" - AND REGARDLESS they are the ones who run the computers that can track your downloaded free play, so I don't get "cheating". I get bad or lazy programing that does not compensate for card pulling).
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> > They are the ones offering the FP Video poker. If they don't want people who are good at video poker, why put in the FP machines? If they want crap players, put in crap machines. Don't advertise over 100% payback (with optimal play) if you would kick a player out for optimal play. That just frosts my flakes :)
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> > If the don't want people to use their promotions, then they shouldn't run them. (ie 10x points that got people kicked out).
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> > They have all the power. All of it.
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> > Blatant cheating is rigging a slot machine or putting in fake dice. I don't consider anything a player does that can't get them arrested to be cheating. And anything that doesn't fall under "cheating" is "policy" and the person setting the policy is the one who is to blame if it doesn't quite work out the way they planned. And that's the Casino (Marketing).
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> > That's my story and I'm sticking too it :)
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> > Cam
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> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@> wrote:
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> > > Bob's reply:
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> > > There were a number of reasons players were demailed. The most common is that after downloading their free play, they pulled their card before playing it off. This allowed them to make 15 downloads with no trips. Since M mailer is based on an "average trip basis," players who did this were considered to be cheating the system. I understand players do not like this basis, but it is what it is and it isn't going to change.
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> > > There has been a new marketing vp (Scotty Rutledge) since approximately the first of the year. Players who were demailed for this reason may want to contact Rutledge srutledge@ and swear they will never do it again and plead for a second chance. If you are allowed back in, and pull your card again while downloading free play, don't expect a third chance.
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> > > There are likely many other reasons players were demailed --- including some for more blatant cheating --- which will likely never be reversed. For the most part it's Rutledge's decision --- and if you don't ask you for sure won't get back in. If you do ask, maybe, maybe not.
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> > > Bob
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> > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@> wrote:
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> > > > We only discussed not de-mailing people for playing the progressive. We did not discuss re-mailing people that have already lost mail for other reasons.
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> > > > I'll talk to Bob and see what he thinks.
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> > > > ~FK
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> > > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vegasvpplayer" <vegasvpplayer@> wrote: You keep assuming that all video poker players get mailers. That is not the case. Has this casino manager guy talked to marketing about welcoming video poker players back? When I asked my host about getting back on the mailing list, he refused to answer the question and says he can comp me a meal if I come in.
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