Mickeycrimm wrote: I put the over/under on vpFREE'ers who routinely
 violate the rule at 8620.
 
 I'll take the under. If there were some way to measure this, I'd be
 willing to bet enough to put you all in. That's got to be WAY too high.
 First of all, there are many members who believe the rules require
 outing all great plays, and of those folks, many will comply simply
 because they believe those are the rules. (I wouldn't expect any of
 these folks to have much of a chance at playing a winning game.)
 
 At best the rules request compliance --- with a ton of outs ---
 including one you mentioned in that so long as you announce any change
 you discover within a year or three, you're obeying the rule. There are
 other loopholes bigger than that one.
 
 The only penalty for non-compliance is being denounced on this forum by
 Tral the Troll and others --- but only if
 
 	1.	They know you're playing this game (which is not usually
 the case for me, and I'm as high profile as it gets around here, and for
 many low profile members it NEVER happens.)
 	2.	They assume (often incorrectly) that you know what the
 database says about this casino. I personally haven't checked the GVR
 entry in the database in at least three years. I hadn't even set foot in
 the casino for gambling purposes in that time and except for the 7x
 point promotion and the cashback slot club, never intended to. How could
 I have been expected to know whether the Multi Strike game was listed or
 not?
 	3.	They don't like you for some reason. (It was accurately
 announced here that Jean played the same game --- yet not one peep of
 chastisement was sent her direction for keeping this secret).
 
 	But once you recognize these folks for what they are and learn
 not to reapond back to them, there is actually no penalty at all.
 
 	Ask yourself how many vpFREE members can you recognize by sight?
 Some of us (including Jean and Scott Krause) have regular published
 articles with our picture on it --- and in my case have taught classes
 attended by a significant percentage of members at least once. But how
 many know what Mickey, Paladin, Cogno, Night, Karen, Harry, CoachVee,
 etc., look like? (I know some of these --- not others). Some pretty high
 percentage of members have never posted --- even under a pseudonym ---
 so unless they're a friend of yours and you know they belong, you have
 no way of knowing. These people can be requested to comply with this
 particular rule, but there's no penalty whatsoever for non-compliance. 
 
 	Not counting these problems, to "routinely violate the rule"
 implies that you have to regularly find descrepancies between the
 database and what's really there. A significant number of vpFREE members
 almost never find such things, so how can they possibly routinely
 violate the rule? They don't scout and they wait for others to tell them
 about good plays. (And probably wonder why they are always on the short
 end of the stick.) 
 
 	It also implies they're smart enough to figure out the benefits
 of keeping quiet on certain plays. Clearly many here don't meet that IQ
 test.
 
 	Your estimation of 8620 assumes a high percentage of members are
 like you (and me, for that matter). I find that assumption
 unbelieveable.
 
 Bob Dancer
 
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