Re: [vpFREE] Corona virus consequences?

 

I'll chime in with Dunbar to the extent that when making a statement, it's important to restrict it to the most verifiable information.  Failure to do so, risks that someone will disregard the substance of the statement (which may be entirely accurate) merely because a fragment can't be verified.

In this thread, the characterization of "almost all ..." may fit that description.  However, the undeniable "takeaway" for me, in what was shared here, is that an infected individual most actively sheds the virus when first infected, when they may show limited (if any) symptoms.  Consequently, you can take no comfort in the well-being of someone you're in contact with in assessing possible infection risk.  This suggests, to me, that masks are indispensable when in contact with others ... both to substantially reduce risk of acquiring infection, and to protect others from the possibility that you may have contracted the virus but not yet be aware of the fact.

It's a message I much appreciated.



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Thank you, Barry.  Not trying to jerk anyone around, it's science to my husband.  He doesn't want me to get sick or anybody else for that matter.  We want to live to see another royal flush. 



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From: "Barry Glazer b.glazer@att.net [vpFREE]" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 4/20/20 7:50 PM (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Corona virus consequences?

 
Personally, I found the support of the "asymptomatic transmission" posted by the lady whose husband is an epidemiologist to be pretty persuasive.  Before I saw that, I figured we didn't have enough data to know, but it's not the first epidemic those specialists have seen and understood.  No reason to think this one is that different, albeit pretty deadly compared to some we've experienced.

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On Monday, April 20, 2020, 05:55:04 PM EDT, 'H. Dunbar .' h_dunbar@hotmail.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




"Almost all cases are transmitted asymptomatic/presymptomatic. "     Again, not true.   Several other members have posted articles from the CDC and others that contradict this.  

You posted a link to an article by a reporter, not a medical expert.   It's a good article, but I couldn't find anything that even remotely supports your statement, "Almost all cases are transmitted asymptomatic/presymptomatic. "

It's enough to say that COVID-19 can be easily transmitted before symptoms show up.   Beyond that, we should all avoid making sweeping statements that are not supported by facts.

--Dunbar



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Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 5:27 PM
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Almost all cases are transmitted asymptomatic/presymptomatic.  That means you'll get it from someone who does not appear to be sick.  Here's one link but if you search you'll find plenty more.  My husband is an epidemiologist and an expert in his field.

https://www.propublica.org/article/what-we-need-to-understand-about-asymptomatic-carriers-if-were-going-to-beat-coronavirus



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From: "'H. Dunbar .' h_dunbar@hotmail.com [vpFREE]" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 4/19/20 12:09 PM (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Corona virus consequences?

 
"The majority of people who get COVID-19 and die are getting it from people who are asymptomatic."

I do not think this is true.   It's certainly possible to transmit when asymptomatic, but I haven't seen any data or any expert that suggests most transmission or most death is from asymptomatic carriers.   If you have a source that says that, please post it.

--Dunbar


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I agree.  Discussing ad nauseum about when/if casinos will reopen is pointless.  They will open when they open.  If they offered me a million dollars to go to a casino when they reopen, I wouldn't take it.  Casinos are going to err on the side of extreme caution when allowed to reopen.  Sorry, gambling is not my priority.  Not dying is.  My son works in a major metropolitan hospital on the East Coast and he is on the front lines.  Until you see what he has seen, the sickness, the death, the anguish of telling family that their loved ones are not going to make it, gambling is meaningless.  Stay home, stay safe, stop the spread.  The majority of people who get COVID-19 and die are getting it from people who are asymptomatic.  Don't risk it.  



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From: "Walter Hamilton walterhnri@aol.com [vpFREE]" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 4/18/20 12:53 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Corona virus consequences?

 
I thought that this discussion group was about video poker?  Apparently not.

In a message dated 4/18/2020 11:14:41 AM Central Standard Time, vpFREE@yahoogroups.com writes:



Indian Grand (Shelbyville) converted the electronic tables poker room to the high limit room when they introduced live dealer table games with real cards on January 1.  The barely got in 2 months with the new table games before getting shut own.  There were some decently cut BJ games that offered good opportunities,  but doubtful I will be handling chips anytime in the near future.  There are multiple $5 single line 9/6/239 Jacks at IG.  They have frequent RC multiplier days and up until last fall were allowing you to redeem RC to FP at a 1:1 rate.  That made for an attractive opportunity.  Not so much lately.  Wil be interesting to see if any changes come about when they reopen.
 
SB
 
 
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Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 11:58 AM
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Indiana had them at Shelbyville (now a Caesars property I think) and Anderson - the two race tracks that got licensed to be casinos as well.  Anderson shut the poker room down altogether, long ago.  My understanding is that the Shelbyville poker room is temporarily closed, being remodeled, and will re-open with live dealers in 12-18 months -- but that was pre-virus; who knows what current plans or schedule will be.  Shelbyville had a lot of electronic blackjack, roulette, and other games with virtual dealers, all of which went to live dealers first of the year (but probably shut down now).  They also used to have (haven't checked for ages) a single VP terminal with $5 9/6 Jacks or Better; lower denoms were lower pay tables.

I haven't been to either for a long time, maybe a decade; I'm in Indianapolis, and they started "charity" poker here four-five (?) years ago; closest venue just 10 min. from my house.  Mostly Moose and Elks lodges, but some others too.  Each locale must be licensed and a few have been shut down temporarily or more for violations of regs, mostly record-keeping problems, but a few minor things.  For example, the one I usually went to had free dinner, and the state commission said they had to charge for it - big deal. 

They are allowed up to three 12-hour sessions a week.  "My" place offered 1/3, 2/5, and sometimes 5/10 NLH, and PLO.  The players I could beat have mostly stopped coming, and so I don't play there very often anymore; haven't even checked lately to see if they're shut down by the COVID rules, but I can't imagine there's a way they would not be.

Bottom line on the question is that I'm unaware of any surviving electronic poker tables in Indiana anymore.

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On Friday, April 17, 2020, 11:08:04 PM EDT, Tony Bigcharles tonybigcharles@yahoo.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
i seen those at the plaza in vegas (now gone) southland gaming outside of memphis (now gone) and at Harrahs cherokee in NC (now gone) and at the silver legacy (now gone). all those places either got rid of poker, or now have live tables with dealers. i dont consider any of those areas as midwest. ive never seen one in MI, IN MN IA, or any other state which people would call midwest. where in the midwest are they?

On Friday, April 17, 2020, 04:48:02 PM CDT, greeklandjohnny@aol.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
The problem with the electronic games is that they raked the same as the live games. You can get 10 to 15 more hands an hour so that rake adds up in a hurry. Granted, no dealer tip but if they ran it with $3 rake up to $60 and $4 after that, they would have customers.. $6 rake on $60 is too much. 

JZ

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Are the electronic poker tables any good? I have never seen them in use but they are in several Midwest-casino. Still could have issues with cleaning the controls and screens.

On Friday, April 17, 2020, 04:30:05 PM CDT, Albert Pearson ehpee@rogers.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
The only problem with that solution or any other spacing solution for poker is that since the game is not very profitable for casinos, and all these solutions require a lot of additional floor space they just aren't economically feasible for the casinos. Poker probably won't be back until a vaccine becomes available.

Regards

A.P.


On Friday, April 17, 2020, 12:16:20 a.m. EDT, Jeffrey Wilens jeff@lakeshorelaw.org [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
They could set up private booths (like those in old-style adult book stores, not that I have any personal experience).  In each booth you log into a video screen and gamble with other players in their own booths (which will have proper ventilation.  You will be able to see the other players on the large videoscreen.


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My guess is, no more so than they already have done so -- i.e., some casinos have made some areas non-smoking, and a handful (to my knowledge) have gone completely smoke-free -- I can't imagine if they're chomping at the bit to re-open without sufficient concern about the virus, that it will change their attitude about smoking.

Happily, most poker rooms have gone smoke-free (if you ignore the people immediately next to the poker room who are smoking) -- but unhappily, poker has other problems to deal with now.  You can't sit six feet from the other players and handle the chips and cards with gloves and remember to keep those gloves away from your face all the time -- it's just risky business.

Of all the advantages of the electronic poker tables, I was aware of many:  faster play, no one can act out of turn or show their cards prematurely, pots are automatically "chopped" without error, no misdeals, no player errors except their own mistakes in betting, and on and on ...  but then someone said they thought they were experience less frequent colds due to the lack of need to handle chips and cards, which I added to the list.  But with social distancing, even that won't work, unless they can re-wire the systems and have 8-9 players in a game sitting at 4-5 separate tables.

On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 11:54:09 PM EDT, K/J Haka kjhaka@yahoo.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




One thought that has passed my mind is -- will casinos (or gov?) use this whole corona virus
pandemic and it's most reputable characteristic of attacking through the respiratory system
as an "excuse" to go smoke-less?



On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 3:36:05 PM CDT, ROBERT HANNU RWHANNU@aol.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



>>Masks should be mandatory for all persons in the casino public areas. <<

****************Hard to drink those free drinks and smoke with a mask on.










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