Well in one case you found money (EV) and the other case you talked someone into leaving EV which they may not have done on their own.
More importantly I don't like the lost bus ticket thing when I am having a drink, the sexy girl that insists I teach her how to play blackjack or whatever game or now the VP professor offering lessons. I know some of you feel that is part of the entertainment, I do not. But as long as they find people they will be back.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "maclarenv12" <ahduff@...> wrote:
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> vpplayer88-
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> So if you are walking past an available ultimate X machine ($1 denom) and the screen shows a game with 12X on all ten lines for the next hand what do you do?
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> -keep walking?
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> - put $50 in and play a hand at 5 coins/line?
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> - Call a slot attendant and have him check the players card log in the hopes of tracking the poor guy down who abandoned so much EV?
> Perhaps even cap the machine till you can get this guy back here?
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> After all if you don't teach this guy (playing $100/pull) about EV, the end result is the same as hustling him out of multipliers right?
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpplayer88" <@...> wrote:
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> > I don't think so. Both people are exploiting weaknesses in the ploppy, either in terms of knowledge or bankroll or time.
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> > It's an active passive distinction I don't believe in. If you let somebody drown by not throwing them a life vest I think it's morally equivalent to throwing them overboard without a vest in the first place. I believe in consequentialism so only the final outcome matters. In either case ploppy loses money and ap makes money.
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> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dunbar_dra" <h_dunbar@> wrote:
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> > > "This guy didn't do anything wrong" WHAT?! You must have a very strange moral compass to say that pulling this scam is not "wrong".
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> > > An AP who finds an abandoned playable Ult X game is a completely different creature from a slimeball who lies to get someone off the machine.
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> > > --Dunbar
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> > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpplayer88" <vpplayer88@> wrote:
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> > > > I don't like the idea of calling security because you fell for the oldest trick in the book. This guy didn't do anything wrong. It's not a scam I would pull because I don't have any charisma but I don't have any moral issues with it.
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> > > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Glenn Chee <TedChee@> wrote:
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> > > > > Hope there are casino lurkers reading this so they can bounce these guys.
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> > > > > Scene: Palms playing 10-play quarter VP. Guy comes over from other side of bank to show me how to turn on $500 bonus feature on Ultimate X. Like a fool I follow him to other side where there are two empty seats for Ultimate X. He has me play all the games leaving multipliers with the line that you have to switch every few hands in order to turn on multiplier & you have to switch machines. The gist is I didn't believe him but I went with it & left a lot of multipliers active. He seemed to know how to play & mentioned American Casino Guide so I suckered for it. I realized I was scammed when I got on another forum & someone reported a similar scam involving old ladies.
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> > > > > Decided I had to do something:
> > > > > 1. Called Palms Security & gave them all the details of when, where & who.
> > > > > 2. Posted this.
> > > > > 3. Will be actively looking for this at other casinos & alert their Security.
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> > > > > NB Ultimate X is a video poker game where you can "vulture" active multipliers. I'll leave it to the rest of the forum to explain how that works.
> > > > > Sent from my iPad
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