--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rob.singer1111" <rob.singer1111@...> wrote:
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> I don't see why there's all this fuss about anyone being barred or run out or trespassed FROM CASINOS of all places! If you can't go in one then there s plenty of others waiting for you to walk thru their doors.
In this day and age, good plays are hard to find. Losing even one can make a big difference to today's advantage player. Presumably anyone reading this forum is at least interested in getting good value from their gambling dollar and even that is not so easy to find these days.
> Nothing lasts forever anywhere and people should be aware of that. Just shrug it off and continue enjoying whatever it is that you like to do. Why some folks need to load up their lives with issues is beyond me. And picketing or crying foul to the media? What a waste of time. If people have nothing more important to do than picket something....
Yeah, why object. Its better to just bend over and take it.
Its all a matter of degree and highly subjective. If someone
threw an egg at your home, you might choose to simply clean it
up. But if someone were to throw rocks through your windows on
a daily basis, its likely your live and let live approach would
be set aside and replaced by actions intended to alter the
offending behavior. Just where to draw this line is highly
subjective.
Sometimes the principle of an issue will make a seemingly poor
use of time worthwhile.
Casinos have taken their right to trespass undesirables into
realms that are beyond reason. The idea of offering a game
and only allowing the morons to play is reprehensible. And
in some jurisdictions (not controlled by the gaming interests)
the courts have agreed.
When casinos control all aspects of the game, including whom
they wish to send promotional offers, trespassing is not only
overly zealous, its downright stupid.
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Barry Glazer <b.glazer@> wrote:
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> > My understanding is that Nevada law allows casinos to "trespass" anyone for no reason, as long as it isn't discriminatory as to race, ethicity, etc. My understanding is that most other states are different.
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And just how would one prove the motivation for trespassing. It
could be argued that any non white, not straight, not "whatever" person who is barred is barred as a result of discrimination.
And conversely, if I, as a casino owner, decided I wanted to
discriminate, I could easily fall back on this law. About the
only way this could go wrong is if I barred ALL members of some
protected group.
What this means is that the law allowing a business to trespass
for any reason is a bad law. Can you imagine a grocery store
being allowed to kick me out for bringing too many coupons?
As long as I behave myself, a business that invites the public
should be required to provide just cause for barring.
And in fact, given the very lame justifications given by
Harrahs in Tunica, it appears that jurisdiction does require
a reason for a trespass. But clearly Harrah's is abusing this situation by focusing on behavior that is essentially harmless and most likely is widespread among other patrons who continue to be invited into Harrah's.
As much as I despise the overly litigious nature of our society,
I would love to see Harrah's lose a large suit here. The reason for this is rooted in the idea that business will ALWAYS base their decisions on the risk-reward balance. As it stands now, business of all kinds take major liberties and even willfully break laws simply because there is little or no punishment to deter them. Draconian penalties for such corporate actions are the ONLY way to make corporations feel inclined to "play nice".
The level of such abuses in this country is very high. If
nobody bothers to take a stand, these things never change.
QZ
