I have to hand this one to Bob. he is correct. The math doesn't change. If you are dealth 4 to a royal whether it be on the Gold Spike's penny machines (if they still have them) or Caesar's $500 machines (if they still have them) your odds are the same in getting the 5th card. But, there is a difference between a $2,000,000 royal and a $40 royal.
It is $1,999,960 In reality the casino does pay more attention at the top and opportunities are not as pronounced and expert play along with club and casino promotions must often be used to get an advantage. As a result, play must be extremely accurate as the edge might be smaller at the top. As mentioned FPDW survives in some places as even with fast play the profit is in the $7.50 - %10 an hour range but with all the poor players around that mess up on the game the casino probably isn't too concerned if a few make a slight profit as long as they don't overdue it by crowding out the regular losing players. But a casino cannot offer a 0.76% advantage to a $100 player and survive. They may get 99.54%, and 0.5 fromt he slot club with double points (0.25 X 2 = 0.50) plus comps, mailers, and invites, but they take the risk of ruin as well. The purpose of the group is to help all of us. Whether we are recreational, professional, tourists, or observers, leave the pluses
and minuses to our accountants to resolve. A benefit to one might not be to another. As to myself, I am happy to be welcome everywhere. Any game at a casino that I am staying at that returns 99% is profitable to me.
If I play 30K through on a 3 nite stay I should lose $ 300. In return 3 nights hotel and food, slot club cashback is usually worth more than that. If there is a promo which often there is such as 3 X's points and $50 - $100 free play I can do even better.
I have stayed and play at hotels that many on this group rag on as having poor VP.
Not necessarily so. The Orleans has games close to 100% and if you an Emerald Club level player you get 0.3 from the slot club and decent offers. They have nickel and quarter 9/7 DB progressives, 5/8 ACE$, Triple Play 9/7 DB, 99% + Multistrike,
9/7 single line progressive $1 and quarter DB, and 5/8 BP at the bars. Reasonable play gets ones meals comped allowing you to keep the slot club cash. Being able to get a room when the general public doesn;t is also worth something. There is also the added benefit of no resort fees or taxes when comped as well. Of course this setup won't a local pro who has a home or apt and eats fewer meals in the casino, but for many it is a plus.
I could give the same scenario with the some of the downtown hotels and the locals proeprties; some even have 100% plus quarter games, thus lets help each other. Too many will never learn perfect play (including me but I am getting better) and if you are perfect congratulations. I am content with knowing the 2 penalty card situations in FPDW and one or two elsewhere. The computer programs of Bob Dancer and Jean Scott have been very helpful as have their books along with Dan Paymar's, Wong's and others. Of course if we have some who just leach to get to the machine to kill an overly generous promo, let's hope they don't get too greedy and leave machines for the general public ( I must be dreaming here)
Bob Dancer <bdancer@compdance.
Jerry wrote: I, like Dick, was taken aback by your flawed analogy, but
perhaps it
wasn't meant as a slight to those of us not playing at high
denominations for profit. The supposition that your analogy implies
is that there are no players at low denominations that are as
proficient as the players playing $10 machines. I for one, would take
exception to such a characterization.
I wasn't referring to the proficiency of the players. There are very
competent 25¢ and $1 players. I was discussing the surviveability
dynamics of a quarter play versus a $10 play.
Most analogies are somewhat flawed --- and this seems to have more than
its share. For that I apologize. But I certain do NOT back down from my
overall theme that players who play 25¢ games do not understand the
high-limit dynamics as they don't experience them in their own game.
Bob Dancer
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