Re: [vpFREE] Re: Smoking Bans - WAS Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas BLOG - 13 JAN 2008

Smoking is plain and simple, an ADDICTION.
I have no problem with the addicts but only when
they involuntarily make me share their smoke.

Being an addiction, smokers have a thousand
rationalizations for their action.

If you ever quit, you will suddenly notice how
much your life will improve, your health, your
wallet, social life, etc etc.

You are smart and you are decreasing your
potential by smoking when the carbon
monoxide attaches to your hemogobin and
not alow as much oxygen to be carried.
Your brain cells as well as all other cells
are affected.

Everyone knows this and this will have
minimal impact on smokers.

I absolutely hate rental cars because of
the stench. I once rented a brand new
Lincoln that had only 50 miles on it
but the first driver was a smoker. I
could not stand it.

Rant over.
--- mickeycrimm <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, b.glazer@... wrote:
> >
> > > 2a. Re: Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas BLOG - 13 JAN
> 2008
> > > Posted by: "mickeycrimm" mickeycrimm@...
> mickeycrimm
> > > Date: Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:04 am ((PST))
> > >
> > ...
> >
> > > But the business never comes back to the level
> it was. For small
> > > business owners it's the difference between
> going through 20 kegs
> of
> > > beer a week and only going through 10 kegs a
> week. A smoker is
> just
> > > not going to sit in a bar if he can't smoke. The
> non-smokers just
> do
> > > not flood in to take the places of the smokers.
> > >
> > > If it is a casino the gambler is going to spend
> as much time
> outside
> > > puffing away as he spends inside.
> > >
> >
> > There is some truth in the above, but it is by no
> means as absolute
> as suggested.
> >
> > First of all, there appears to be an implied
> assumption that "small
> business owner" means "small bar owner", and there
> ARE other small
> businesses that have no problem with no smoking and
> it doesn't hurt
> their business.
> >
> >
> >
>
> I don't believe smoking bans hurt restaurants much
> but have a big
> effect on bars. It's the bar/restaurant where
> decisions have to be
> made. When the latest smoking ban went through in
> Nevada stand-alone
> bars were left smoking while bar/restaurants had to
> make decisions
> like giving up the food end or walling the
> restaurtant off completely
> from the bar.
>
> >
> > I don't know very much about bars, but the poker
> rooms in Indiana
> riverboat casinos are all smoke-free, and I frequent
> them often. I
> see the smokers leave the tables to have a
> cigarette, going to the
> nearest non-smoking area (on many boats, it's a door
> to the outside,
> and they'll go no matter what the weather; at
> Caesar's Indiana, it's
> OK to smoke immediately outside the poker room and I
> see railbirds
> immediately outside the poker room, two feet from
> the no smoking
> sign, having a cigarette). At least at the places I
> frequent, they
> aren't gone that long, probably less than 5% of the
> time -- at places
> where the whole facility is smoke-free, especially
> if they're large,
> it may take longer to get to a smoking area and
> back, but I doubt
> that the non-gambling time would equal the gambling
> time.
> >
> >
> > I see many players who are not smokers, but who
> spend long days at
> the tables, take longer and more frequent breaks
> than smokers. And I
> see many players, both smokers and non-smokers, who
> try to miss as
> few hands as possible.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Live poker and smoking is a different scenario. In
> Wendover I have
> my choice between two smoking rooms and one
> non-smokiing room. About
> 80% of my play is in the non-smoking room simply
> because that's where
> the money is. But when I walk outside the rail to
> burn one the game
> continues. The rake continues. And the game is
> moving a little
> faster due to one player being missing. They are
> not losing any
> revenue because of my smoking habit. With slot
> players the button on
> that machine is not being pushed while the smoker is
> outside.
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > Most smokers, if they ever fly an airplane, have
> learned to go a
> few hours without a cig if they have to (I know they
> don't like it,
> but most of them manage, and while there are plenty
> of reasons today
> to drive, if possible, rather than fly, I haven't
> heard "no smoking
> on the plane" listed as a common reason for making
> that choice).
> Depending on how driven they are to smoke, and how
> driven they are to
> gamble, individuals WILL decide which one has
> priority at any given
> moment in time, and while they might prefer to do
> both at once, when
> that's not an option, not very many will choose to
> give up one or the
> other completely. They'll strike some balance.
> >
> >
> >
>
> For the life of me I can't explain why I can go for
> hours in a non-
> smoking situation with no discomfort at all but just
> as soon as I get
> to where I can smoke I go into nicotine withdrawals
> from hell.
>
> >
> >
> > Certainly drinkers can find somewhere other than a
> bar to drink AND
> have a cigarette (and I've never understood the
> fascination with
> paying so much extra for booze in order to drink in
> a bar, instead of
> just going to a liquor store and taking it home --
> so the bar must
> have SOME other feature that makes it worth going
> there to drink).
> >
> >
> >
>
> It's called social drinking. My IQ goes up 10
> points with every
> drink. Why would I want to drink alone where nobody
> can tell how
> smart I've become?
>
> How weird is this? You would think a booze hound
> like me who just
> happens to spend about 300 days per year gambling in
> casinos would
> get thousands of dollars per year in comped
> alcoholic beverages.
> WRONG!!! I'm a stone cold teetotaler when playing
> machines or live
> poker. I don't want to see the stuff when I'm
> working. And it's not
> out of any conviction about gambling and drinking.
> I simply can't
> stand to drink when I'm working, and I can't stand
> to work when I'm
> drinking.
>
> When booze touches my lips I'm off for the day and
> that's it. I'm
> headed to the nearest alky bar where I can buy
> rounds and debate the
> world's problems with the other ten fools on the
> stools.
>
> >
> >
> > Personally, I try to avoid sitting next to smokers
> when playing VP,
> if possible, and if not, ask them if they would mind
> putting their
> cig and ashtray on the opposite side from me - not
> asking them to
> stop, but just to be courteous - and most are. I
> still choose games
>
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