Re: [POKERHOLICS - Also at Myspace!!] Re: Pocket Aces

Never slow play A-A unless you are heads-up or if you have good post-flop play and have the discipline to lay it down if you think you are beat. A-A is only a 70-30 favorite against any 2 random cards so your goal preflop is to reduce the field as much as possible, ideally to a heads-up position. If you do that, you're likely to be in a very strong position since people who will stick around after a big pre-flop raise have a high pocket pair (but likely not A-A) or A-K/A-Q which A-A also dominates. Keep in mind that you are unlikely to improve your starting hand while the longer your opponents stick around and the more there are, the more likely someone will draw out on you.

What a lot of people don't realize is that A-A overall loses more money than it wins because it tends to win more smaller pots, but it also tends to lose very big pots.
 
In my honest opinion there is no perfect way to play Aces. Every situation is different from the players at the table to your button position. You need to adapt to the situation and play your cards accordingly.

Mike <Batman@azteca.net> wrote:
Ok, once again, I have to ask, instead of criticizing one person's
experience, please kindly state for the over 1800 members here, how to
play with and against Aces perfectly, 100% of the time, and to throw
things into the mix, both knowing what the other person has, and not
knowing what the other person has.

If anyone else wants to take a look at these four situations, and
write a detailed analysis, feel free to do so.

Thanks,
Mike, Co-Owner

--- In POKERHOLICS@yahoogroups.com, "Sam" <tgiw2000@...> wrote:
>
> You have no idea how to play AA properly. You are lost in a world of
> a few lucky times you beat AA. We all get lucky sometimes, but that
> does not make that an "A" poker game.
>
> Why dont you just stop this nonsense now so you dont mislead any new
> players.
>
> Ask all the pros and as a basic rule, (not ever time) you play AA
> hard.
>
> You will see in the long run you are wrong.
>
> You have no idea.
>
> --- In POKERHOLICS@yahoogroups.com, "rowdyrebelchic"
> <rowdyrebelchic@> wrote:
> >
> > very nice post indeed, keep up the good work!
> >
> > --- In POKERHOLICS@yahoogroups.com, "xenobias1" <xenobias1@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > It's quite funny that my simple post about my success against
> > pocket
> > > aces has earned me more cash than my success with them has a few
> > > people stating with all certainty that I play aces wrong. This
> > stated,
> > > of course, without any experience at the table against me when I
> > hold
> > > them.
> > >
> > > Let's delve a little deeper...
> > >
> > > First, Preflop, my bets, raises and calls are very rarely based
> on
> > the
> > > two cards I have in the hole. My position, stack size comparisons,
> > > playing styles and history of the actions of my opponents, the
> > general
> > > flow of the game at the time and on occasion, whether or not I
> will
> > > need to leave to take a piss will affect the amount I wager.
> > >
> > > Second, I never said nor will I ever be able to win against aces
> > > everytime I face them. But I do face other people with aces far
> > more
> > > often than holding them myself and in those instances that I win
> > the
> > > pot, which is generally quite big, my opponent made the "mistake"
> > > against me. But the truth is the board turned out to be more
> > > favorable to me than to them.
> > >
> > > To say you win more with aces, sounds like you have them two or
> > three
> > > times in a hour, and when you raise it to 20+ you get one caller
> > who
> > > appearently is never afraid of the flopped board and calls all
> your
> > > heavy bets. Seems pretty obsurd.
> > >
> > > It also sounds as if, regardless of what flops, when you hold
> aces,
> > > you can't fold them. If that's so, I'll take 10,6 against you
> > quite a
> > > few times.
> > >
> > > A person can play aces anyway they see fit.
> > >
> > > A huge, overthetop, 10 times the big blind, preflop raise, just
> > might
> > > have one person out of the 5 limpers think, "no way does he have
> > > pocket aces" and still call you..lol.
> > >
> > > Most of the time, everyone will fold and you win the 12 buck pot
> > minus
> > > the 3 buck or so rake..congrats, you played aces "right".
> > >
> > > I want more than one person in the pot with me, so I would make a
> > > raise just high enough to say I got something good, but not so
> high
> > > that a couple of limpers holding qj off or a9 suited won't call.
> > >
> > > Aces make more against 3 opponents when they "hit" than one. And
> > yes,
> > > I will fold aces when a dangerous board shows up.
> > >
> > > Two days ago I hit another big pot against aces, this time on the
> > > $2/$5 no limit. 4 limpers at 5 bucks, I hold qj of hearts.
> > >
> > > The flow of this table showed that the average preflop raise was
> > way
> > > overthetop-- between 30 and 40 bucks. It was full of deep pocket
> > > businessmen and 3 young guns.
> > >
> > > I am one off the button and raise it to 30, planning on having
> > > everyone fold. The small blind reraises me to 60. Was that the
> > right
> > > thing to do? (he has aces btw *wink)
> > >
> > > Everyone folds to me. I have 650 in front of me, the small blind -
> a
> > > young gun- has 450 or so left. he will be first to act the entire
> > hand
> > > so I can make judgements off his actions.
> > >
> > > I call the raise. Flop comes Kc 10h 7h. That gives me a straight
> > draw
> > > and flush draw.
> > >
> > > At this point I have yet to put him on aces but ak or pocket 10's
> > were
> > > likely, so I could be up against top pair or a set. The size of
> his
> > > bet if he bets may give me a clue.
> > >
> > > He bets 60.. about half the pot. Ok, he's feeling strong and may
> > have
> > > a set and has bet just shy of 1/2 the pot. If he had top pair he
> > would
> > > be vunerable and I think he would have bet at least the size of
> > the pot.
> > >
> > > If I hit either of my draws and he does have a set, I figured he
> > > should pay me off-- I call 60--was that the right thing to do?
> > >
> > > The turn brings a 9c- and I have my straight. He bets 120. He
> might
> > > truly be unafraid of the board and if he has that set and I call I
> > > will need to escape the board pairing giving him a full house.
> > >
> > > I wait a bit then I call but even with the wait I think I called
> > too
> > > fast because..
> > >
> > > the river is a 6 hearts, I have my flush and he waits a minute or
> 2
> > > then checks.
> > >
> > > This time I wait even longer, and evenually bet about what I think
> > > half his stack is--175. I was hoping for an all in from him, but
> > > instead he just called and flipped up pockets aces.
> > >
> > > Do I need to point out that when a person finds themselves in a
> pot
> > > preflop against aces they may not know that they're up against
> > aces? rofl.
> > >
> > > Peace
> > >
> > > btw I have to pay 425 in rent :p
> > >
> >
>



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