Poker Poker Poker!: Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LVA

The how much and how often determine how well you will do on any given day, but over the infinite long run it doesn't make any difference to the E.V. of the game, but it would have an effect on the volatility of the game especially in the short term.

All you need to know for calculating the E.V. of a game is the paytable.

The outs matter, they tell you what the odds are of completing a specific hand. The thing is that knowing the odds only impacts the proper way of playing each individual hand. i.e. the odds determine the strategy for the game.

I have been reading Bob Dancer's articles for a long time and it all made sense to me. You may want to delve deeper into the vpFREE

resources section and read some of the technical articles there. You may find the one's on Jazbo's site to be enlightening.

Regards

A.P.

From: "funny.young.guy@gmail.com [vpFREE]" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 1:58:12 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LVA - 1 JUL 2014

That can't be right. Either there are alternates or the article is poorly written. The article mentions HOW MUCH and HOW OFTEN you win (emphasis by article author).

What else has that? Aren't those the same elements you need for EV calculations??? :-)

So I took it to mean that there may be alternate strategies out there for this. If you look at it from a traditional poker perspective, the article implies that "outs" matter. Having 8 outs (open ended straight) may be more valuable than a straight flush draw with one out.

I'm not saying that's the answer, just an example. But the article clearly implies that there are alternates out there.

On Jul 1, 2014, at 10:34 AM, "Albert Pearson ehpee@rogers.com [vpFREE]" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Like he said in the article the strategies never change. Everything is based on the infinite long term.
What changes is the dependencies on the "dealt in " hands.
When you play a single line game a dealt in Royal has the same value and impact of a royal that you draw.
If you are playing 100 play an individual royal is almost insignificant. It has roughly the same value as a dealt in full house.
A dealt in royal is highly significant on multi line games and the more lines played the more significant that becomes.

Many times when playing 50 or 100 play machines in order to reduce the swings of the game I end up accomplishing the opposite because of a lack of dealt in hands. It is a puzzlement.

A.P.

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Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 1:15:30 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LVA - 1 JUL 2014

Fascinating article. I enjoyed it. Sounds like there might be some more work to be done here. I mean, what *should* the multi strategies be? There's probably no (any?) easy answer to that.

On Jul 1, 2014, at 10:01 AM, "vpFREE3355 vpfree3355@gmail.com [vpFREE]" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Bob Dancer's LVA - 1 JUL 2014

How Often Do You Win a Hand?

http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/bob_dancer/2014/0701.cfm

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