vegasvpplayer wrote: Have you ever had a 3 month winning period and still got a respectful mailer? Their "bounceback" mailers have always been a percentage rebate of loses.
This is generally in agreement with my experience (assuming he meant "respectable" rather than "respectful") --- except I believe it's a 4-month cycle.
I play $25 NSU (actually 25-coin $5 NSU --- which means $125 per hand) there. It creates W2Gs on royals, deuces, wild royals, 5-of-a-kinds, and straight flushes. Playing less than that creates fewer W2Gs. --- i.e. playing $5 per hand only gets you W2Gs on royals. Playing $6 per hand gives you W2Gs on royals and deuces. Playing $50 per hand gives you W2Gs on wild royals as well. Playing $75 per hand gives you W2Gs on 5-of-a-kinds. The reason you want W2Gs there is they have a promo where some percentage of W2Gs get a 10% rebate. That is, if you have a $2,000 W2G, some of the time you'll get an extra $200. I calculate that it's between 1-in-15 and 1-in-20 W2Gs that get the rebate.
In any form of deuces, you lose between the times you get deuces and royals. That's just the nature of the game. So I play about $50K per week (playing only during hours where you get 2x points, which means 0.20% --- which is the highest you can get on the good games) and get decent mailers and some W2G rebates. Whenever I hit deuces or a royal, I stay out of all Dotty's for four months (except to pick up mailers > $5 while they last and to check to see if I got a 10% rebate on my last group of W2Gs.) Mailers go from Sunday to Saturday and you can always pick up your mailers "a day early to a day late" That means going in on Saturday or Sunday every other week allows you to collect two mailers at once.
After four months I go back and play and am eligible for good mailers again. It's a weird system, but once you figure it out it's a pretty profitable place to play.
I personally have no problem staying out of a place for four months if the conditions aren't right. If you're somebody who's going to "play anyway," you're giving up a lot by continuing to play at Dotty's when you've won recently. Discipline is a valuable yet underrated aspect to the winning process.
Whatever they do to the Hacienda property in particular is irrelevant to me personally --- I simply live too far from there for that to be a smart play, given the other opportunities around. But seeing the Estey family is planning on staying in the casino business even though Station Casinos took a big crap on their business model is good news for players.
They run their places a bit differently --- which is good. It takes awhile to figure out their system --- and on this thread you can see that some folks haven't and are frustrated by that --- but it's not rocket science and players can prosper there.
Kmarts and Food 4 Less locations aren't smoky at all --- so that's where I play --- but the Dotty's inside are only open when the stores themselves are open --- so they are not 24-hour (unless you can find a 24-hour Kmart). These locations tend to put their bottom-of-the-barrel employees in them so if you get a W2G you might have to train them on how to fill out the form. And if you're NOT playing big enough to hit W2Gs, there's nothing special about Dotty's. You have to play AT LEAST $5 per hand to get NSU and similar games. If your bankroll can't handle that, and/or you need progressives to make you happy, you should play elsewhere.
Bob
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