This discussion will probably end on vpfreevp but I'll give it one more shot.
Did the person involved know what he was doing? Sure.
Did he find a situation that wasn't what the casino nor IGT intended to have happen? Sure
Did he take advantage of the situation? Sure
Did he break any laws? Not so sure.
If a dealer over pays you on your wager and you don't return it, are you breaking any laws? I don't think so.
The crux of the argue seems to be whether his knowledge and use of a hidden feature in the program is illegal. All of this discussion is about illegal and not immoral.
The bill reader error is a little bit different. The bill reader isn't a gambling device. The video poker game is. I'm sure there are different rules for different devices.
Hey Bob Dancer, maybe you can discuss this situation on one of your shows? I think this would be a topic of interest to a lot of people.
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> > Well, the Feds don't seem to think it is cheating. They have dropped the hacking charges.
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> Actually that just means they don't think it is hacking. Neither do I. The fraud charges are still in effect.
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> > What posted rules? And all he did was press some buttons.
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> The paytable for one. The paytable says how much you will be paid for any given winning hand. They collected that amount, "pressed some buttons," went back to the game and collected 10x that amount on the SAME winning hand (not having placed an additional bet on that game)
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> > > While I agree this is not a legitimate hacking case and I don't see how it should be a wire fraud case, it should certainly be prosecuted. To me it would be the same as playing a $100 hand of blackjack, winning and getting paid, somehow distracting a not-so-bright dealer so that you can collect your win and pad the bet with a stack of black chips and getting paid again on that.
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> > Your example is a lot different than the video poker example. This player doesn't 'distract' the machine. He stumbled on a key sequence ( either intentionally put into the software or not caught during the debug phase) and used it. Unethical? Maybe. Illegal? A much less clearcut answer. And I'm pretty sure there are written rules about past posting at table games. What written rule did this person violate?
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> Don't see how it is much different. Whether it is by "distraction" or not, the fact remains that they placed a wager, collecting the appropriate amount when they won, orchestrated a situation to get paid again on the SAME winning wager at 10x the posted payout.
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> > Or they feel that huge, billion dollar companies should be responsible for the product they present to their customers.
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> So because a billion dollar company puts out a product that can be used unethically, anyone who uses it in such a way should not be held accountable? By that rationale we should release everyone that has ever used a weapon unethically.
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