In the past I think we referred to common or "standard" schedules, like 9/6 JoB and 9/6 DDB, as "full pay," even though they were below 100%. Full pay didn't always mean positive. I made that point back in 1998 in the original version of The Frugal Gambler. Then when a schedule came up later that upped these common schedules we called them "super pay" or something similar, like 10/6 DDB.
VP has involved over the years so the names we started off weren't always accurate but they became "standard." 9/6 JoB will probably always be considered "full pay." Same with 9/6 DDB. I wouldn't quibble with someone who used these terms.
Of course if you are discussing returns, especially with a newbie player, it might be clearer if you stuck with "technical" terms – "positive" and "negative." A newbie might mistakenly assume that a "full pay" game is always "positive."
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From: Albert Pearson
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 11:42 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: No more Stations rollover credits....
We can drop the subject now because we both know what we mean. One suggestion I would like to give you is to use the term positive game instead of full pay when you are talking about games that are over %100 instead of invoking a new term such as traditional full pay. Everyone agrees on what a positive game is I think, unless we get into what factors may be added into the base game that may make it positive i.e. double points etc..
Regards
A.P.
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From: jaywilly240 <mailto:wha724%40comcast.net>
To: mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 11:05:57 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: No more Stations rollover credits....
As Ed McMahon (or maybe Ed impersonators) used to say: You are correct sir. I guess what I was trying to get at is that when we say "full pay", we really mean "traditional full pay."
--- In mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com, Albert Pearson <ehpee@...> wrote:
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> True enough, but the quantity of the FP version in LV is way higher, and there are only 3 instances of 10/6 reported anywhere else in North America. We have to remember that this isn't a Las Vegas forum, it's a video poker forum. One other thing that should be noted is that in many if not all locations that have 10/6 DDB the comps and cashback/bounceback, would be greatly reduced if you play these machines.
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> Regards
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> A.P.
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> From: jaywilly240 <wha724@...>
> To: mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 2:00:10 AM
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: No more Stations rollover credits....
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> It's true that 9/6 DDB is indeed still considered full pay, even tho the 10/6 version has been around for a while now, and (in LAS anyway) is only about 30% harder to find than its 9/6 cousin. (VPfree2 lists 68 Vegas locations where you can find 9/6, 48 where 10/6 is available.)
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> --- In mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com, Albert Pearson <ehpee@> wrote:
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> > 9/6 DDB is by defintion full pay. It's not a positive game by any means but it is the best variant of the game that can be found in any quantity.
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> > Regards
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> > A.P.
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> > From: Dave <haaljo@>
> > To: mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 7:43:17 PM
> > Subject: [vpFREE] Re: No more Stations rollover credits....
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> > Just games over 100% E.V. but not all FP machines as plenty of 99.5%+ E.V. paytables. Nowadays, lot's of gamblers call 9/6 DDB full pay.
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