[vpFREE] Re: loss rebate

 

I'm in full agreement. As a part-time AP who is still in the process of growing a bankroll, these promotions have been a godsend. I do not use personal results to measure the value of a play, but the impact these programs have had on my game is huge, and it goes beyond the money. I'll be the first to admit I've gotten fairly lucky, but I've doubled my bankroll on loss rebates in the last 9 months.

So what has that afforded me? Obviously, I can play at higher stakes now, which allows me to earn more at a faster clip. But since I am primarily a blackjack player, it bought me something that is irreplaceable: time. It would have taken me hundreds of hours of table play to get to the level I'm now at. Hundreds of hours of exposure to dealers, cocktail servers, floor supervisors, pit bosses, counter catchers, EITS personnel, and others, some of whom want to evaluate me and possibly shut me down. The loss rebate bump has bought me another ~200 hours of play, at a higher earning level. I simply cannot express how significant this is to me.

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[vpFREE] Re: Riviera $1000 Sign Up Promo

 



If a player has a problem with discipline, he will eventually fail, regardless of there being a promotion or not. The casino environment - especially in Las Vegas - is ripe with temptations of excess: eating, drinking, shopping, partying, drugs, sex, and gambling. It's up to the player to "know thyself" and either play it straight or leave altogether.

To say the offer has no value because the undisciplined gambler will blow his wad, I just don't follow that at all. Along those lines, FPDW has no value because many players don't learn proper strategy. Or 3:2 S17 blackjack with 2:1 suited naturals has no value because the plops will still split their 5s and simply hit their 11s.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rob.singer1111@yahoo.com" <rob.singer1111@...> wrote:

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> I don't see these type of offers as having any value at all. The numbers might be cranked to show an advantage, but the offer does all it can to destroy a player's main advantage - discipline.

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Re: [vpFREE] Laughlin

 

Thanks for the reply- was going to do a Laughlin run when in Vegas but now will cancel that .

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On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:57 PM, patrick <pat90218@yahoo.com> wrote:

> long time ago probably 8 months
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> --- On Mon, 4/30/12, Vegas <clawed4967@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> From: Vegas <clawed4967@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [vpFREE] Laughlin
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, April 30, 2012, 3:51 PM
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> When did the Edgewater and Colorado Belle in laughlin pull their 100 per cent games ( joker full pay deuces etc)
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Re: [vpFREE] Re: XVP: Diamond Thief

 

Sorry hit reply on this and didn't change addy--nothin' that's earth
shattering here. . . . .

Jean H--
The random number generator does not respond
to violence. -Melissa Fine, Strictly Slots
 
Life is ten percent what you make it
and ninety percent how you take it!
 
"I believe in luck: how else can you explain
the success of those you dislike?" —Jean Cocteau

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From: K/J Haka <kjhaka@yahoo.com>
To: "vpFREE@yahoogroups.com" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: XVP: Diamond Thief

 
Thanks for the offer of the beer and shot, but I'm on spin dry
 
Proud of you. . . . .   my friend got her hubby into a 8-5 rehab program--so he's
busy and watched over when she's at work.  He's also going to AA. . . .  We're
hoping that the rehab program will include her at some point but we (all of us
co-workers) keep telling her to get some help herself--I keep telling her Al-Anon.
Wow!  Up at 4-5am?????  I get up then only because I have to!
 
PS-- Found the info on Diamond Thief very interesting! 
What gaming device HAVEN'T you figured out?

Jean H--
The random number generator does not respond
to violence. -Melissa Fine, Strictly Slots
 
Life is ten percent what you make it
and ninety percent how you take it!
 
"I believe in luck: how else can you explain
the success of those you dislike?" —Jean Cocteau

From: Mickey <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 6:18 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: XVP: Diamond Thief

 
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "ma18ks" <89109.nv@...> wrote:
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> Nice, my next question had to do with the number of credits to play. On my exploratory session, I started with one credit, but later bumped to full (three) credits to end the experiment and get back to my more profitable green felt. Thanks for your candidness on this subject, Mickey. I hope one day I can pay you back, whether it's info, or a shot of VO and a beer.
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Betting one coin is much more time consuming but allows you to come closer to the average for hitting the Red Sevens, which I believe is about 10% of the payback.

Thanks for the offer of the beer and shot, but I'm on spin dry. I'm out working everyday. When I'm all dryed out I'm much more idustrious, and my mind works a hell of a lot better. I'm also an early riser when I'm dryed out. I'm usually up by 4 or 5 AM, but I can't get into the casinos until 8 AM. So what better way to spend the time than on vpFREE?

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Re: [vpFREE] Laughlin

 

long time ago probably 8 months

--- On Mon, 4/30/12, Vegas <clawed4967@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Vegas <clawed4967@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Laughlin
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 30, 2012, 3:51 PM

 

When did the Edgewater and Colorado Belle in laughlin pull their 100 per cent games ( joker full pay deuces etc)

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[vpFREE] Laughlin

 

When did the Edgewater and Colorado Belle in laughlin pull their 100 per cent games ( joker full pay deuces etc)

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Coast casino

 

Thanks for the info

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On Apr 30, 2012, at 1:52 AM, "sheiky2" <sheiky2@msn.com> wrote:

> yes, there was one. Not much stuff in it. No match plays. Only buffet I saw was buy one get one at Sams Town
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Re: [vpFREE] Re: XVP: Diamond Thief

 

Thanks for the offer of the beer and shot, but I'm on spin dry
 
Proud of you. . . . .   my friend got her hubby into a 8-5 rehab program--so he's
busy and watched over when she's at work.  He's also going to AA. . . .  We're
hoping that the rehab program will include her at some point but we (all of us
co-workers) keep telling her to get some help herself--I keep telling her Al-Anon.
Wow!  Up at 4-5am?????  I get up then only because I have to!
 
PS-- Found the info on Diamond Thief very interesting! 
What gaming device HAVEN'T you figured out?

Jean H--
The random number generator does not respond
to violence. -Melissa Fine, Strictly Slots
 
Life is ten percent what you make it
and ninety percent how you take it!
 
"I believe in luck: how else can you explain
the success of those you dislike?" —Jean Cocteau

From: Mickey <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 6:18 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: XVP: Diamond Thief

 
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "ma18ks" <89109.nv@...> wrote:
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>
>
> Nice, my next question had to do with the number of credits to play. On my exploratory session, I started with one credit, but later bumped to full (three) credits to end the experiment and get back to my more profitable green felt. Thanks for your candidness on this subject, Mickey. I hope one day I can pay you back, whether it's info, or a shot of VO and a beer.
>
>
Betting one coin is much more time consuming but allows you to come closer to the average for hitting the Red Sevens, which I believe is about 10% of the payback.

Thanks for the offer of the beer and shot, but I'm on spin dry. I'm out working everyday. When I'm all dryed out I'm much more idustrious, and my mind works a hell of a lot better. I'm also an early riser when I'm dryed out. I'm usually up by 4 or 5 AM, but I can't get into the casinos until 8 AM. So what better way to spend the time than on vpFREE?

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RE: [vpFREE] loss rebate

 



From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpFREE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Queen of Comps
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 11:39 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] loss rebate

I think some are looking at this wrong. No one "wants to lose." But give me a gambling opportunity where I have a chance to win and there is no danger of "losing" (because there is a loss rebate),

---Well, there is still a "danger of losing." Once you have lost your initial $1000, there is no guarantee you will make money or even win back your initial $1000 from free slot play. But it's still a great offer and worth the shot. I would do it every time too! J

Scot

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Re: [vpFREE] loss rebate

 

I think some are looking at this wrong. No one "wants to lose." But give me a gambling opportunity where I have a chance to win and there is no danger of "losing" (because there is a loss rebate), and I would do it every day of the week. Of course some people don't have "discipline" in their gambling life, but that is going to be a problem whenever or wherever they play, no matter what the promotion. Any promotion can be a danger for those without discipline!

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http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/

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[vpFREE] loss rebate

 

Although the $100 loss promotion at the Cosmopolitan does require you
lose $100 to take advantage of it, if you end of winning for the day
just go back the next day until you do end up losing $100 for the day.

We actually ended up winning one day and weren't going to continue
until we lost $100. We went back the next day and did end up losing
and got the freeplay loaded onto our card.

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[vpFREE] Re: Riviera $1000 Sign Up Promo

 

The point is not to lose, the point is to use the $1000 loss rebate as a means to an end (i.e., you're getting a free roll). If you win beyond a certain point it's to your disadvantage to continue playing as anything you lose once ahead you eat 100% of the loss same as any losses beyond the level of the rebate.

Variance is your friend with this. Try for a $2000 win or the $1000 loss as quickly as possible and then STOP playing. Problem is, Riv has been pounded on this already and has restricted most of the machines favorable for the rebate.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "ma18ks" <89109.nv@...> wrote:
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> "I'm not much for these ... loss rebate offers, because you have to hope to lose in order to get anything out of them and that's not why I go into casinos..."
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> I'm confused... you say a player needs to "hope to lose" to get anything out of these loss rebates. What if someone ends up losing, but was hoping to win? Will they "get anything out of them"?
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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Riviera $1000 Sign Up Promo

 

If a player hopes to win, but loses and takes part in this promotion, since they were willing to lose their initial investment the first time in and did, they will most likely lose the freeplay and maybe more on this and their next visits.

If a player hopes to lose in order to get the freeplay, it is more likely they learned their lesson and might cash out with a good portion of what the freeplay rendered.

I don't see these type of offers as having any value at all. The numbers might be cranked to show an advantage, but the offer does all it can to destroy a player's main advantage - discipline.

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From: "ma18ks" <89109.nv@gmail.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Riviera $1000 Sign Up Promo
Date: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 12:10 am
"I'm not much for these ... loss rebate offers, because you have to hope to lose in order to get anything out of them and that's not why I go into casinos..."

I'm confused... you say a player needs to "hope to lose" to get anything out of these loss rebates. What if someone ends up losing, but was hoping to win? Will they "get anything out of them"?

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[vpFREE] Re: Riviera $1000 Sign Up Promo

 



Rob, after rereading my post to you, I realized I probably should have added one of those winking smile face emoticons like this ;) Yes, I'm being a bit cheeky, but I'm also genuinely interested in your opinion here.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "ma18ks" <89109.nv@...> wrote:
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> "I'm not much for these ... loss rebate offers, because you have to hope to lose in order to get anything out of them and that's not why I go into casinos..."
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> I'm confused... you say a player needs to "hope to lose" to get anything out of these loss rebates. What if someone ends up losing, but was hoping to win? Will they "get anything out of them"?
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[vpFREE] LVH Promos Ended

 



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From: vegasvpplayer <vegasvpplayer@gmail.com 

 
I'm not 100% certain, but it appears the LVH Tuesday point multiplier promo has ended. I did not see signs in the casino nor did I notice any stickered machines. The promo was pretty worthless anyway because no machines with decent paytables were included.
 
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Confirmed, Hilton's Wheel of Winners and 5x points
promotions are no longer active. 
 
sh

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