Yep, you can even figure out a video poker machine to see if it's legit. For first pass approximation assume 90% return on the bottom 6 payouts which would be 15% each. If the bottom paytable is 9-6-4-3-2-1, and if each of those returns 15%, then the average cycles must be: 60-40-27-20-13-7. Next start playing and see if your results start matching up, if not make corrections. If it's legit you should start seeing on average the JoB about every 5, 2P about every 8, 3K about every 14, and ST, FL, FH about every 88. Draw poker has the added complication that there's a strategy involved for the draw, but you can approximate that as well and adjust as your results come in. Now if it turns out that these are fixed or defective machines, you might be able to adjust to get an edge. Or in the case of a slot where you don't know what the cycles are, you can figure them out and see if you can get an edge. Of course most slots are biased towards the house, but with promos, progressives, and bonus rounds, you might get the edge. Some slots seem to have a lot of different payouts, just group them by return, just as you count all flushes as flushes whether they are spade or ace high or whatever. Start with the payouts that are 10 or less, if they aren't coming in you pretty much know you have a high variance machine.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bob Bartop wrote:
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> > Mickey, do you have any thoughts on Ring'em Up?
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> It's a game I never worked on. But if I was gonna work on it, this is what I would do:
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> In my spare time I'm gonna bet one coin a spin for 500 spins and count the number of times a fruit symbol lands in the upper right square. Then another 500 spins counting the number of times a fruit symbol lands in the upper middle square, then the upper right square, and so on. Once I've got a sample space for all nine squares I'll probably do thing same thing again, adding to the sample space.
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> Some people think you have to make a million spins to zero in on a frequency, that's true if you are dealing with a longshot frequency, but when you have a high frequency of occurrance, like every two or three spins, you don't need that big of a sample space to zero in on it.
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> So if you put the chances of a fruit symbol landing in a square at 2.25, then just multiply that number out 9 times.
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> I'm also gonna clock the meter to see how fast it runs. And I'll use the meter to track my total wager. And if I make any long shot hits I'm gonna cull that stat out as it will skew the results.
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> There were two other exploitable games on the machines that had ring em up, called Treasure Chest and Red Hot Sevens. If you have them where you are at then look for the icons at the top of the screen. If 3 of the five icons are filled in then go ahead and spin the play off. Once you get all 5 icons filled in you get a bunch of free games with the Treasure Chest symbols or the Red Hot Seven symbols becoming wild.
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