At one of the casinos I monitor for vpfree, there is a video slot with a
stud poker side bet. If you read the help screen it will tell you that the
poker hands do not occur in accordance with the expected probabilities from
a normally dealt deck of cards.
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpFREE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
nightoftheiguana2000
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 11:23 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Revel Atlantic city
Bally's and IGT and the other manufacturers were allowed to start making the
fraudulent video poker machines years ago, supposedly the machines are never
allowed across the Nevada or New Jersey state lines however, where they are
technically illegal. In Nevada or New Jersey if you make a machine version
of an actual casino game, like blackjack or poker or dice or roulette, the
virtual odds have to match the physical odds. But somehow the games with
wheel spins were allowed to sneak in, virtual wheels are almost always
unevenly weighted, which would be fraud in a physical wheel. Those machines
should have a disclaimer, something like: "wheel positions may not have an
equal chance of hitting". There are some new slots with a bonus round that
involves throwing virtual dice, I don't know if those correctly match
physical dice or not as I've never tracked them, yet. The wizard has tips on
how to track a slot machine:
wizardofodds.com/games/slots/
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"richmontgomery138" <richmontgomery138@...> wrote:
>
> Now your post brings up an interesting question regarding Empire and the
hold. What if the slot hold is higher and the VP play is more true to being
random and not fake?do you know the answer? And how does a casino rig a game
king VP machine to cheat ?
> I'm not challenging you but want more answers
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> , "Dave"
<haaljo@> wrote:
> >
> > On VPFREE or one of her daughter boards; has been noted that EMPIRE is
required to hold 8% of VLT action. Correct it's a shitty payout but may
actually be better than AC for slot player.
> >
> > If AC casino hold is reported at 8%, could be the slot machine hold is
>10% while the VP hold is <5%.
> > Empire is 8% for both slot and the fake VP.
> > This could be noticeable and slot players would start to recognize the
Empire machines are looser.
> >
> > Another nail in the AC coffin and force AC to reduce slot hold.
> > But then again NY state could increase hold some rainy day.
> >
> > I think this is right. If VP action is a high percentage of total could
be very significant. Never have seen percent of total action attributed to
VP vs. one armed bandits.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> , "mike"
<melbedewy1226@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yeah I think NYC people have decided that if you're going to get
shitty payouts in AC you might as well save the 2 hour trip and get them at
home.
> > > Still worth it if you can get a free room-although on that score
Foxwoods is just as desperate in handing them out as AC.
> > >
> > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Dave" <haaljo@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Grand opening of what? Revel has been open for a year now.
> > > > "Times must be difficult" for Revel is an understatement.
Pennsylvania take is more than AC nowadays. Empire Type II VP Racino in NYC
take has been stunning. Enough for the owners to buy out the Echelon project
from Boyd. I think it's a Malaysian outfit.
> > > >
> > > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"richmontgomery138" <richmontgomery138@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Times must be difficult for revel last year I had a great borgata
day and decided to check out revel with some of the winnings. It was right
before the grand opening
> > > > > Well I played for 30 minutes and lost some of the borgata
winnings. Since then I have been getting offer like crazy. This week an
umbrella one day and free tickets to see il divo and a room on another day
> > > > > I guess they have to keep on trying to get me back
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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