There's a four raise cap, so a 20-40 game ($10 machine) has a max pot of $1000. Casinos can put machines into a special mode to get around the W2G lockup problem, but I don't know if that is available or not on this machine. IGT could fix it so that the machine doesn't steal the button on taxables, but maybe they like that feature. The button should just go back and forth anyway, sure certain people will play off any left button hands, but someone's gonna play that button anyway. My guess is that IGT considers the button stealing to be part of the hold/rake of the machine, player beware I guess. Initially they had a "feature" where it was hard to turn off the side bet, or the side bet would turn itself on, I imagine gaming said NEIN to that one. They should really make that side bet progressive, or better yet put in a bad beat type bet. Also as the guy on the radio show pointed out, you have to be careful with the size of your cashout ticket, and if you're playing for comp don't leave any comp balance on your card, the casinos will steal that, but most slot players already know about that. Oh and don't forget to put Nersesian's number on your cellphone, you know, just in case it gets ugly.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Ed Miller <ed.miller@...> wrote:
>
> I don't mean to suggest that the bot is not potentially vulnerable. Sure it
> is. Virtually any game in a casino is potentially beatable, and rake-free
> poker is a big flashing sign "come beat me."
>
> But poker seems to trick people into thinking that they know what they're
> doing when they really have no clue. I saw a little bit of that in this
> thread, hence my comments. If you think you know how to play heads-up limit
> hold'em and exploit the bot, but you haven't played even 100,000 hands of
> online heads-up limit hold'em, then I'd guess 999 out of 1000 you're
> kidding yourself.
>
> The problem I've heard with the bot is that if you play big enough that
> pots start getting to W-2G threshold, it steals the button on every W2-G
> and now it's very hard to beat. So there's a cap on how big you can play it.
>
> The other thing about it is that if you have the skillset to beat it, you
> can just rent a beachside condo in Mexico and play on Pokerstars to your
> heart's content and never have to worry about heat. If you are an unknown
> name, you'll get all the action you can handle on Stars until you've made
> quite a lot of money.
>
> Mickey. Online poker is returning to the USA, and we should have it here in
> Nevada by the end of the year. I think the games in Nevada will be a decent
> opportunity, but IMO it's an inevitability that it will come to California.
> When that happens, money will rain from the heavens for some length of
> time. I plan to drop everything and spend some quality time on the beach
> when that happens, and it seems like it might be an opportunity you might
> be interested in also. The willingness to spend the time to
> reverse-engineer what your opponents are doing is the #1 thing required to
> get good at poker, IMO. (That, plus the right mindset to interpret what
> you're seeing and find counter-strategies.)
>
> Oh, and it's hard to get people to play heads-up live in a casino, but I've
> managed a few times, and they basically just fold away their buy-in to you
> within about 15 minutes. Unfortunately, I've never had one rebuy, but maybe
> I'm not obnoxious enough.
>
> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Mickey <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas V" <tringlomane@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Everyone should listen to what Ed Miller wrote. If you are not an
> > >expert at Heads-Up Limit Hold 'Em (and playing 6-max is NOT Heads-Up),
> > >the machine will crush you. It is simply a beast that will never quit.
> > >
> > >
> > I can't help myself. I'm always trying to think up ways to exploit a
> > situation. And I think we have an exploitable situation with this poker
> > bot. I'm not gonna do it myself. I'm pushing 60 years old, secluded in
> > Montana, and enjoy a very high hourly rate off the machines here. I just
> > mosey around everyday and pick the money off. But for you young guns out
> > there still trying to take on the world, this is what I would do if I were
> > you. It comes from an old Johnny Moss story from the fifties.
> >
> > One day a $400-$800 California Lowball game broke out at the Desert Inn.
> > They were putting lots of money on the table everyday. Guys were coming in
> > with cardboard boxes full of money. Moss wanted to tag the game. But he had
> > a problem. He had never played California Lowball before. What to do? What
> > to do? What to do?
> >
> > He flew to California and sat in with the Little Old Ladies of Gardena who
> > played $10-20 California Lowball everyday. They were reputed to be the
> > toughest Lowball players in the whole state. Moss sat in the games for a
> > week. He learned every move them little old ladies had. Then he flew back
> > to Vegas and the Desert Inn $400-$800 game. It took him three weeks to
> > break the game.
> >
> > I've never played head up limit holdem. But I've seen it many times,
> > usually at night, at the Horseshoe. Two guys would get into it and
> > challenge each other to a head up game. The house would deal the game with
> > a discounted rake, usually $2, because they were cranking out many more
> > hands per hour. And it was usually a $20-$40 game.
> >
> > If I were a young gun today I would use that poker bot to make me battle
> > tough at heads up play. I would play the cheapest game, the .50-$1 game. I
> > would reverse engineer every hand that bot played. The reason that bot wins
> > is because he is causing human beings to make incorrect decisions. I would
> > learn every move that bot has. Once I feel like I've learned enough, that
> > I'm tough enough, I'm gonna march right into the poker rooms of Las Vegas
> > and sit in the ring games. And when the timing is right, I'm gonna rope
> > people into heads up play.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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