[vpFREE] Re: Laying Odds

Julia Ramirez said:
" basically it has to do with the CSM not including the last 12
cards that

have been seen in the shuffle. This gives a strong bias toward the DON'T.
"



What if the last 12 cards are returned to the CSM before each shuffle and

deal?



The cards ARE returned to the CSM after each hand. There
is, however a 12-card buffer that always stays full. So the cards "just
returned" don't have a chance to be in the next twelve cards out. These "last
in" cards have an equal chance to get into the first open slot on that buffer
next --- but there necessarily will be at least 12 cards that come out before
the "last in" cards can come out again.



Julia further commented: At my local Indian casino, each
player pays a $1 fee to the house on each

roll out (deal out? ) when playing the pass or don't pass. However, players

don't pay the $1 on the come/don't come. I was the only person at the very

crowded craps table playing the come bets and not the pass line. Does the

very interesting information presented in Bob Dancer's column still apply to

this situation?



I don't have any particulars on the game at your casino.
If it is the "Card Craps" brand, then yes it will likely behave in the same
way. If it is another brand, who knows? But if it uses a CSM, there will likely
continue to be a bias towards the DON'T.

Avoiding the $1 fee by betting Don't Come instead of Don't
Pass is clever --- assuming normal rules apply. The fact that nobody else was
doing it strikes me as strange. This is not exactly "advanced strategy." But
continue to do it. Eventually everyone else will figure out what you're doing
and/or the dealers will figure out that you're supposed to be charged the fee
as well.

For people betting "normal" amounts, a $1 fee per come
out roll is WAY too expensive and the game should be avoided. If you were
betting $100 on the DON'T and laying 10x odds at Viejas --- even with a $1 fee
you'd still have a positive game. But the game is "too tight" (i.e. not enough
over 100%) for me now even without that fee.



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