[vpFREE] Re: Check out Casino smoke ruling / Just pass the ban

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mroejacks" <rgmustain@...> wrote:
>
> The big thing you are missing here is that places of business DO
NOT
> have the freedom to whatever they please. There are hordes of
> regulations they must adhere to. A smoking regulation is no
different
> than many of the health regulations businesses must already follow.
> They are put in place for the public good.
>

Good point. I think that we should follow the example of another
regulation. We've all seen the warnings on menus about the dangers
of undercooked food and that asking for food prepared in this way is
being done at your own risk. So we should mandate placing a sign at
the entrance of all places that allow smoking (since admittedly not
everyone can figure this out on their own).

"This is a SMOKING establishment. By entering you are implicitly
giving your consent to be surrounded by smoke and the dangers
inherent therein. If you do not consent to this, DO NOT ENTER!"
(and go to a non-smoking establishment)

Certainly the food warning made more sense than banning raw bars,
rare steaks, sunny-side-up eggs, etc... Instead of making the
decision for people, you give them the power to decide if they want
to risk their health.

>
> Please explain how a smokers health is put a risk for abstaining in
a
> non-smoking casino. Oh, and be sure to add just how the employees
are
> put at risk too.
>

Hmmm...scratching my head on this one. I don't recall ever saying or
implying that being in a non-smoking environment is dangerous to
anyone's health. If you quote the exact section of my posts that led
you to mistakenly infer this, I'll be happy to clarify what I
actually meant.

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[vpFREE] Re: Check out Casino smoke ruling / Just pass the ban

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jeffcole2003oct" <jeff-cole@...> >
========================================
> pokegimp wrote:
> Why do non-smoking ban proposers say that instead of having places
for
> everyone, they should be comfortable EVERYWHERE and to hell with
> anyone else?
> ----------------
> Probably because that's their only chance. They can't pick and
choose
> which places would need to ban smoking, so it's an all or nothing
> proposal.
> ========================================

I disagree that it is there only chance. I think it would actually
be easier to convince companies that there is a market for non-
smoking casinos and/or non-smoking wings than it would be to get the
law passed to ban smoking altogether (especially given the amount of
monetary power casinos have to fight the ban). All the considerable
lobbying already done to ban smoking probably would have already
succeeded in getting some non-smoking venues in town if that time and
energy were directed towards a goal that would make everyone happy.

> pokegimp wrote:
> ---------------------
> But there aren't ANY choices in Las Vegas now. A smoker can go to
any
> casino and feel right at home. A nonsmoker can't go anywhere. Give
> the nonsmokers something, that's all I ask...

I totally agree. unfortunately, it will take longer for non-smoking
venues to appear, because all the lobbying being done is misdirected
towards all-or-nothing bans, instead of encouraging casinos to have
non-smoking wings or open non-smoking casinos. There is certainly a
market for it, and casinos know that. But by putting them on the
defensive by trying to ban smoking altogether, they won't bother to
spend the resources on creating non-smoking venues/wings. Why bother
to drop that money, if they will still have to defend against a
smoking ban, which they might lose anyway (so all that money spent to
accomodate non-smokers would have been wasted)? If the lobbyists
said that they wouldn't fight for the ban if the casinos offered non-
smoking wings/casinos, it is highly likely that the casinos would
gladly make that available since it just increases their market. But
by threatening to ban smoking altogether, decreasing their market,
casinos will fight with all they have. By fighting for an all or
nothing solution instead of one that pleases everyone, people are
just delaying the arrival of what they want...a decent choice of non-
smoking gaming in Vegas.

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