Re: [vpFREE] Re: Reno Sienna $200 loss rebate plus upgraded player status

 


On Jul 31, 2012, at 6:47 PM, "mickeyska" <mbrown4341@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

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> Does anyone know how far back they go for old members to be considered dropped off the list? Some casinos in Las Vegas go back forever. I would hate to take time and find out that our membership of 15 years ago are still in the system.
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You can bet you are. Though some mark inactives as "archived", I can't think of a slot club that doesn't keep every account forever (and damn, don't many of us wish they didn't).

In qualifying for a new-member promo, many clubs will allow you to participate if you've been inactive for a period, usually 18-24 months. Ask a supervisor.

TC

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RE: [vpFREE] Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 29 JUL 2012

In my folder, I have an 8.5 x 11 piece of paper which says, "Don't forget the ticket".

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>"Finders keepers losers weepers" is not a legal concept in any jurisdiction I'm aware of - just a bit oh homespun advice worth it cost (nothing). Laws vary by state, but generally what's yours is still yours, even after leaving it on a bartop or inside a machine. Accidentally leaving without your property is not "abandonment", and doesn't magically make it someone else's.

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>TC



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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 29 JUL 2012

 

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:50 PM, twowild4 <lucky4K@msn.com> wrote:
> Good reasons to do everything possible to stay out of these fixes.
>
> Have a "check-out" routine when leaving a machine (#1 should be to hit the
> cash-out button), avoid big balances on vouchers if possible, keep your
> wallet in your hand or front pocket (or purse in lap or around neck), put
> your hand over the cash out button or voucher dispenser whenever you turn
> away from screen (even for a few seconds), pay attention to people around
> you, watch out for distractions/interuptions directed at you.

One arguably good habit to develop is, if you need to divert your
attention away from your machine for more than a couple seconds,
especially if you are stepping away from it, is to deal a new hand and
hit the hold buttons, but NOT the draw button, before you turn away.

The latter prevents your credits from being directly cashed out
without first completing the hand. If someone tries a grab'n'run they
probably won't expect this and the extra confusion may buy you some
additional time to notice and shout "hey!" or whatever. The former
guards against forgetting what game state you were in, when you turn
your attention BACK to your machine.

(Of course, an undeniably good habit to develop, especially if you
adopt the above one, is that any time you do turn your attention back
to a machine, take a second to pause and verify what game state you're
in.)

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Re: [vpFREE] Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 29 JUL 2012

 

>"Finders keepers losers weepers" is not a legal concept in any jurisdiction I'm aware of - just a bit oh homespun advice worth it cost (nothing). Laws vary by state, but generally what's yours is still yours, even after leaving it on a bartop or inside a machine. Accidentally leaving without your property is not "abandonment", and doesn't magically make it someone else's.
>
>TC

Are there cases of people being prosecuted for keeping what they've
found?

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[vpFREE] Re: Reno Sienna $200 loss rebate plus upgraded player status

 


Does anyone know how far back they go for old members to be considered dropped off the list? Some casinos in Las Vegas go back forever. I would hate to take time and find out that our membership of 15 years ago are still in the system. I hope I'm thinking of the same casino.
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> Sienna is offering a $200 loss rebate on actual slot loss payable 50% 1st and 2nd day after play. Plus they will upgrade your status to any other slot club level. Here are the details:
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> http://imgur.com/XIeOr
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> Maybe someone more seasoned can explain the best way to go about using this loss rebate offer.
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Re: [vpFREE] Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 29 JUL 2012

 

I'm sure I speak for everyone in saying, "Thank you for speaking for everyone."

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Re: [vpFREE] Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 29 JUL 2012

 

The more you respond the more it looks like you don't know what your
talking about concerning the criminal justice system.


In a message dated 7/31/2012 7:45:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
tabbycat@wachafo.com writes:

On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:02 PM, _der145@aol.com_ (mailto:der145@aol.com)
wrote:

> The police can and do determine if a crime occurred before taking a
report. It happens every day
>

If I had said anything about a "report" that might be relevant.

As Bobby DeNiro once said, "This is this. It ain't sumpn else!"

TC

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Re: [vpFREE] Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 29 JUL 2012

 



On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:02 PM, der145@aol.com wrote:

> The police can and do determine if a crime occurred before taking a report. It happens every day
>

If I had said anything about a "report" that might be relevant.

As Bobby DeNiro once said, "This is this. It ain't sumpn else!"

TC

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[vpFREE] Re: Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 29 JUL 2012

 

Good reasons to do everything possible to stay out of these fixes.

Have a "check-out" routine when leaving a machine (#1 should be to hit the cash-out button), avoid big balances on vouchers if possible, keep your wallet in your hand or front pocket (or purse in lap or around neck), put your hand over the cash out button or voucher dispenser whenever you turn away from screen (even for a few seconds), pay attention to people around you, watch out for distractions/interuptions directed at you.

Alcohol makes you careless ... and a potential target.

Personally, despite my best intentions, I still leave credits in a machine every year or two. Fortunately, I've realized it within five minutes and gotten back before losing the money.

It's a constant battle!

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bob Dancer <bobdancervp@...> wrote:
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>
>
> Perhaps an issue for Dancer̢۪s radio show to discuss??????
>
> We've discussed aspects of this issue twice with Bob Nersesian and once with I Nelson Rose. Possibly also with Bob Loeb.
>
> This thread has contains a plethora of different sub-threads. Each legal case is a little different from other cases and sometimes those small differences are critical to the way things were decided.
>
> Old shows are archived if someone wishes to revisit one of the shows.
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> Bob
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Re: [vpFREE] Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 29 JUL 2012

 

You are living in another world and really need to get your facts correct
before posting such nonsense. The police can and do determine if a crime
occurred before taking a report. It happens every day with people coming
in with civil matters (I loaned him something and he won't give it back, now
I want to press theft charges as an example) The police have probably had
this happen many times and are basing their decision on past cases where
the DA may have told them they won't prosecute these types of cases. Too
hard to prove theft probably. But there could be a civil matter to pursue.
That is not a police matter though. Without the casinos assistance, which
you won't get, good luck trying to get proof who did it so you can sue for
your money back.


In a message dated 7/31/2012 3:26:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
tabbycat@wachafo.com writes:

You did the right thing by going to the police station, but then
unfortunately let them talk you out of it. I meant to say that you should file a
"criminal complaint", probably a John Doe unless you have a description of the
perp. No matter what they say, you have a right to make one. They are not
qualified to decide whether a crime has occurred - that will be up to the
city attorney. And that office can never afford to ignore a civilian
complainant (when the cop is the complainant, that's another story). At the point
you can pressure them to investigate, and they can view or seize the
security tape as evidence.

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[vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 31 JUL 2012

 

Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 31 JUL 2012

"Getting on a Game Show"

http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/bob_dancer/2012/0731.cfm

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Re: [vpFREE] Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 29 JUL 2012

 


> Why do you believe it's a crime? Is there a statute that says it is?
>
> I filed a police report. I don't know if that's the same thing as
> what you meant by a "citizen complaint." They didn't regard that as
> forcing them to do anything besides tell me that I hadn't been the
> victim of a crime.
>
Nevada has a statute or reg that covers credits left in a slot machine. I learned about it more than a decade ago, after observing experienced hustlers who added their own money first and played at least one game before cashing. I don't recall which, but a search should turn it up.

You did the right thing by going to the police station, but then unfortunately let them talk you out of it. I meant to say that you should file a "criminal complaint", probably a John Doe unless you have a description of the perp. No matter what they say, you have a right to make one. They are not qualified to decide whether a crime has occurred - that will be up to the city attorney. And that office can never afford to ignore a civilian complainant (when the cop is the complainant, that's another story). At the point you can pressure them to investigate, and they can view or seize the security tape as evidence.

"Finders keepers losers weepers" is not a legal concept in any jurisdiction I'm aware of - just a bit oh homespun advice worth it cost (nothing). Laws vary by state, but generally what's yours is still yours, even after leaving it on a bartop or inside a machine. Accidentally leaving without your property is not "abandonment", and doesn't magically make it someone else's.

TC

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Re: [vpFREE] Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 29 JUL 2012

 



Perhaps an issue for Dancer's radio show to discuss??????

We've discussed aspects of this issue twice with Bob Nersesian and once with I Nelson Rose. Possibly also with Bob Loeb.

This thread has contains a plethora of different sub-threads. Each legal case is a little different from other cases and sometimes those small differences are critical to the way things were decided.

Old shows are archived if someone wishes to revisit one of the shows.

Bob
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Re: [vpFREE] Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 29 JUL 2012

 

you wrote:

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>On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:18 PM, Tom Robertson <007@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I dropped, I assume, some cash and cash out tickets and, in a zillion
>> to one shot, came face to face with the person who was in the process
>> of cashing one of the tickets. The police told me that it wasn't a
>> crime for him to keep what he found, even though I told them it was
>> possible I was pickpocketed, and casino security didn't tell him any
>> different. I think the lady who returned Jean's money was scammed and
>> conceivably could sue the casino. Or if she wasn't scammed, the police lied to me.
>>
>While arguably slightly more not knowledgeable than the average casino employee, I have also yet to meet a cop with a law degree.
>
>I find it useful to keep in mind this rule from Bill Handel, host of "Handel on the Law":
>
>"Cops will always interpret the law such that they don't have to do anything."
>
>Fortunately, the cop is not the last word on the subject. As a citizen, you have the right to file a citizen complaint, whether they like it or not. There is a Metro Police station conveniently located at Mandalay Bay, another downtown. Doing so will force them to act and will give them access to security tapes despite the casino's "preference" for keeping them secret.
>
>Playing off someone else's credits in Nevada is a felony. If someone plays your leftover credits, or cashes a ticket that belongs to you, you are a crime victim, and should act accordingly.
>
>Expect resistance.
>
>TC

From this and another recent encounter with the police, what you quote
Mr. Handel as saying seems to be true.

Why do you believe it's a crime? Is there a statute that says it is?

I filed a police report. I don't know if that's the same thing as
what you meant by a "citizen complaint." They didn't regard that as
forcing them to do anything besides tell me that I hadn't been the
victim of a crime.

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Re: [vpFREE] Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 29 JUL 2012

 

By the number of e-mails on this subject, both here and privately, it seems that lost-and-found money in casinos is dealt with in many different ways. I would like to have a lawyer's opinion on this, preferably one who has personally dealt with this issue. Also, reference to exact code would be appreciated, but I am going to guess that it is open to interpretation. Perhaps an issue for Dancer's radio show to discuss??????

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http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/

From: Bill Cimo
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 12:39 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 29 JUL 2012

I lost a ticket in the Orleans for over $200 earlier this year and the Orleans had the guy on video cashing it. Not sure if I left it in the machine or dropped it. After wasting my time with the Orleans staff, I went to Metro to file a police report. They wouldn't take one since I didn't know if it was left in the machine or if I dropped it. Metro told me that if it was left in the machine then it was abandonment and anybody could take it. I asked if it was property of the casino and they said no. If I dropped it then it was finders keepers losers weepers. Now if there was some kind of distraction and somebody tried to take it from the machine then that is different again according to Metro. Also, be careful when at the Orleans because the Slot supervisor told me that there are regulars in there who take money from machines. Obviously, it must be profitable. Not sure why the Orleans can't kick them out. I had a friend who
was distracted at Terribles and got a $50 ticket taken. Terribles did the right thing and gave her the money back.


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Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 29 JUL 2012

I've found money in Nv. casinos 4 times, with amounts being from $100 to $1800. I've also lost my wallet with $3300 in it. The kind soul mailed it back to me however....minus the cash. No arrests, no felony convictions, and no discussions of any sort on any of it. It all really does even out in the end.

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Date: Mon, Jul 30, 2012 3:04 pm
>Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 29 JUL 2012:

>in Nevada the law says that money (cash, tickets, chips) that you find in a casino belongs to the casino and you can be charged with felony theft if you take it.

I was told that keeping found money is not a crime. Can anyone cite

the statute that supports this?

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RE: [vpFREE] Hard Rock LV Kiosk Game

What was the game? How many swipes did you get? HRH President Pusateri quit last week.
I will be at the HRH this weekend and will be doing a walkthrough based on VPFREE2, and will update on Wednesday after I return from The Wynn.

James Thompson
Former HRH Casino Monitor

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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:53:02 -0700
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Hard Rock management screwed over their local customers AGAIN by shutting down the July kiosk game a day early with no warning.



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Re: [vpFREE] Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 29 JUL 2012

 


On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:18 PM, Tom Robertson <007@embarqmail.com> wrote:

> I dropped, I assume, some cash and cash out tickets and, in a zillion
> to one shot, came face to face with the person who was in the process
> of cashing one of the tickets. The police told me that it wasn't a
> crime for him to keep what he found, even though I told them it was
> possible I was pickpocketed, and casino security didn't tell him any
> different. I think the lady who returned Jean's money was scammed and
> conceivably could sue the casino. Or if she wasn't scammed, the police lied to me.
>
While arguably slightly more not knowledgeable than the average casino employee, I have also yet to meet a cop with a law degree.

I find it useful to keep in mind this rule from Bill Handel, host of "Handel on the Law":

"Cops will always interpret the law such that they don't have to do anything."

Fortunately, the cop is not the last word on the subject. As a citizen, you have the right to file a citizen complaint, whether they like it or not. There is a Metro Police station conveniently located at Mandalay Bay, another downtown. Doing so will force them to act and will give them access to security tapes despite the casino's "preference" for keeping them secret.

Playing off someone else's credits in Nevada is a felony. If someone plays your leftover credits, or cashes a ticket that belongs to you, you are a crime victim, and should act accordingly.

Expect resistance.

TC

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